Ideas for Teck: Dragon Rage
These are ideas based on data I've collected over the course of 40 sample battles. I've noticed certain pokemon are being over used and are constantly abusing the stat effecting moves such as agility, curse, autotomize, swords dance, dragon dance, and harden.
Suggestions:
1- Obviously more move selection would improve pokemon’s ability to resist a wider variety of pokemon, lowering the chances of being able to buff one particular pokemon such as steelix or dragonite. (TM’s, HM’s, BW2 Movesets, Egg Moves, Tutor Moves) would all help significantly.2- Lowering the stat increases by a reasonable percent. In example, stage increases or decreases would go as follows:
Stage: -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6
Percentage:25% 29% 33% 40% 50% 67% 100% 125% 150% 175% 200% 250% 300%
Or at least something similar to this. I don’t believe the stage reductions are a major problem as they are currently. The stages could go back to the current levels when more pokemon, and moves are introduced to the game to disable incredible boosts.
3- Further limiting the amount of stages one Pokemon’s stat can increase or decrease.I would suggest a limit of 3 stages for each individual stat personally. This would disallow certain pokemon to make themselves unbeatable if type advantage allows, but allow things like defense to be boosted after attack has already been increased to allow strategy to still have it’s benefits. (This idea could be used as a substitute for idea number 2, or could go alongside it depending on people’s input.)
4- Disallow continuous cycles of status ailments without a break. Currently the system does not have a safety that stops Pokemon from falling asleep while already being asleep, resetting the cycle of turns in the process. This would be devastating if one were to use stat increasing moves while the opponent is perpetually unable to attack.
In Example, Snorlax vs Kingdra. Kingdra is well known to be absolutely useless against snorlax, so snorlax uses yawn, putting kingdra to sleep. In the following two turns Snor uses Belly Drum to significantly raise its attack, and repeats the process until Snor has 400% of it’s base attack. The Snorlax could possibly go on to defeat a couple other pokemon that it wouldn’t usually be able to, had it not been able to abuse this method. (not sure if this has been, or is in the process of being fixed yet)
5- Fix existing moves for the sake of pokemon that can be taken advantage of. An example of this would be Arca using Retaliate on Dragonite if the move worked correctly, it would have a chance of doing either 70, or 140 damage. Therefore it should be averaged at around 105 damage. More research would have to be done regarding other moves that have the same type of situation.
Pokemon used in battle survey, each line represents one full team an opponent used.
HOF’s Contribution
Feraligatr, Dragonite, Starmie, Jolteon, steelix, Charizard
Flygon, Jolteon, Charizard, Snorlax, Swampert, Metagross
Gyarados, Steelix, Dragonite, Jolteon, Starmie, Charizard
exeggutor, dragonite, mamoswine, jolteon, kingdra, flygon
Slowbro, mamoswine, dragonite, Alakazam, metagross, kingdra
Snorlax, Espeon, Jolteon, Cloyster, Steelix, dragonite
Flygon, Jolteon, Charizard, Snorlax, Swampert, Metagross
Gyarados, Steelix, Dragonite, Jolteon, Starmie, Charizard
exeggutor, dragonite, mamoswine, jolteon, kingdra, flygon
Slowbro, mamoswine, dragonite, Alakazam, metagross, kingdra
Snorlax, Espeon, Jolteon, Cloyster, Steelix, dragonite
Sam’s Contribution
Salamence, Starmie, Snorlax, Charizard, Dragonite, metagross
Heracross, Mamoswine, salamence, Gyarados, dragonite, Starmie
Feraligatr, snorlax, alakazam, Arcanine, Jolteon, Dragonite
Slaking, Flygon, cloyster, Salamence, Jolteon, Metagross
Mamo, Snorlax, Espeon, Arcanine, meganium, vaporeon
Snorlax, Arcanine, Flygon, mamoswine, dragonite, Jolteon
Dragonite, Arcanine, Salamence, Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Exeggutor
Snorlax, Gyarados, kangaskhan, Aerodactyl, Salamence, Dragonite
kingdra, Metagross, jolteon, Omastar, snorlax, Salamence
Feraligatr, Snorlax, kingdra, Arcanine, Sceptile, Dragonite
mamoswine, kangaskhan, kingdra, Lapras, typhlosion, Jolteon
Starmie, mamoswine, Espeon, Cloyster, Kingdra, Snorlax
jolteon, Swampert, Dragonite, S Golem, S Gyarados, Mamoswine
Kingdra, Blaziken, Jolteon, Cloyster, Espeon, flygon
Mamoswine, Metagross, lapras, Snorlax, Dragonite, Arcanine
donphan,espeon, dragonite, kingdra, steelix, venusaur
kingdra, salamence, charizard, dragonite, flygon, gyarados
kingdra, snorlax, starmie, dragonite, typhlosion, scizor
Dragonite, Arcanine, Starmie, snorlax, metagross, cloyster
snorlax, Mamoswine, lapras, arcanine, dragonite, metagross
Kingdra, snorlax, flygon, gengar, gyarados, mamoswine
snorlax, lapras, arcanine, dragonite, metagross, mamoswine
Aerodactyl, mamoswine, Flygon, Gengar, Kingdra, espeon
relicanth, snorlax, kingdra, miltank, dragonite, metagross
Relicanth, snorlax, kingdra, miltank, gyarados, dragonite
Arcanine, Kingdra, salamence, gengar, dragonite, alakazam
forretress, slaking, dragonite, Arcanine, kingdra, gyarados
slaking, dragonite, Arcanine, metagross, snorlax, Starmie
espeon, heracross, salamence, jolteon, snorlax, mamoswine
kingdra, flygon, feraligatr, salamence, charizard, dragonite
Charizard, sceptile, aerodactyl, gengar, arcanine, dragonite
Dragonite, metagross, kingdra, arcanine, charizard, mamoswine
charizard, metagross, kingdra, dragonite, Arcanine, mamoswine
dragonite, charizard, Metagross, kingdra, Arcanine, mamoswine
Heracross, Mamoswine, salamence, Gyarados, dragonite, Starmie
Feraligatr, snorlax, alakazam, Arcanine, Jolteon, Dragonite
Slaking, Flygon, cloyster, Salamence, Jolteon, Metagross
Mamo, Snorlax, Espeon, Arcanine, meganium, vaporeon
Snorlax, Arcanine, Flygon, mamoswine, dragonite, Jolteon
Dragonite, Arcanine, Salamence, Aerodactyl, Jolteon, Exeggutor
Snorlax, Gyarados, kangaskhan, Aerodactyl, Salamence, Dragonite
kingdra, Metagross, jolteon, Omastar, snorlax, Salamence
Feraligatr, Snorlax, kingdra, Arcanine, Sceptile, Dragonite
mamoswine, kangaskhan, kingdra, Lapras, typhlosion, Jolteon
Starmie, mamoswine, Espeon, Cloyster, Kingdra, Snorlax
jolteon, Swampert, Dragonite, S Golem, S Gyarados, Mamoswine
Kingdra, Blaziken, Jolteon, Cloyster, Espeon, flygon
Mamoswine, Metagross, lapras, Snorlax, Dragonite, Arcanine
donphan,espeon, dragonite, kingdra, steelix, venusaur
kingdra, salamence, charizard, dragonite, flygon, gyarados
kingdra, snorlax, starmie, dragonite, typhlosion, scizor
Dragonite, Arcanine, Starmie, snorlax, metagross, cloyster
snorlax, Mamoswine, lapras, arcanine, dragonite, metagross
Kingdra, snorlax, flygon, gengar, gyarados, mamoswine
snorlax, lapras, arcanine, dragonite, metagross, mamoswine
Aerodactyl, mamoswine, Flygon, Gengar, Kingdra, espeon
relicanth, snorlax, kingdra, miltank, dragonite, metagross
Relicanth, snorlax, kingdra, miltank, gyarados, dragonite
Arcanine, Kingdra, salamence, gengar, dragonite, alakazam
forretress, slaking, dragonite, Arcanine, kingdra, gyarados
slaking, dragonite, Arcanine, metagross, snorlax, Starmie
espeon, heracross, salamence, jolteon, snorlax, mamoswine
kingdra, flygon, feraligatr, salamence, charizard, dragonite
Charizard, sceptile, aerodactyl, gengar, arcanine, dragonite
Dragonite, metagross, kingdra, arcanine, charizard, mamoswine
charizard, metagross, kingdra, dragonite, Arcanine, mamoswine
dragonite, charizard, Metagross, kingdra, Arcanine, mamoswine
Pokemon Used in Number, and Percentage (in order of use)
Dragonite- 30 used (12.5%)
kingdra- 21 used (8.75%)
Snorlax- 20 used (8.33%)
Mamoswine- 17 used (7.08%)
Arcanine- 16 used (6.67%)
Jolteon- 14 used (5.83%)
Metagross- 14 used (5.83%)
Salamence- 10 used (4.17%)
Charizard- 10 used (4.17%)
Flygon- 9 used (3.75%)
Starmie- 8 used (3.33%)
Gyarados- 8 used (3.33%)
Espeon- 7 used (2.92%)
Cloyster- 5 used (2.08%)
Steelix- 4 used (1.67%)
Lapras- 4 used (1.67%)
Gengar- 4 used (1.67%)
Aerodactyl- 4 used (1.67%)
Feraligatr- 4 used (1.67%)
Slaking- 3 used (1.25%)
Alakazam- 3 used (1.25%)
Miltank- 2 used (.833%)
Kangaskhan-2 used (.833%)
Exeggutor- 2 used (.833%)
Relicanth- 2 used (.833%)
Typhlosion- 2 used (.833%)
Heracross- 2 used (.833%)
Swampert- 2 used (.833%)
Sceptile- 2 used (.833%)
golem- 1 used (.417%)
slowbro- 1 used (.417%)
donphan- 1 used (.417%)
blaziken- 1 used (.417%)
omastar- 1 used (.417%)
venusaur- 1 used (.417%)
meganium- 1 used (.417%)
vaporeon- 1 used (.417%)
forretress- 1 used (.417%)
As you can see the most used pokemon happens to be the pokemon easiest to boost. Before the update you would've seen more selection, and some naturally good battlers that are now practically unheard of in battle as they are a death wish (sceptile, heracross, swampert). The top 10 most used pokemon excluding Arcanine are all either capable of boosting themselves, or are meant to prevent Dragonite from boosting itself (which further proves the extent of Dragonite's influence). I don't believe any one pokemon should be capable of changing the entire battle scene, forcing people to exclude multiple former members of their team in order to avoid terrible consequences if used. I am not biased against Dragonite, or steelix, or any other pokemon capable of increasing it's effectiveness... I just believe it's going a little too far when one pokemon can destroy an entire team with ease after
More evidence of abuse is this cheap strategy Psychosamm experienced in her battles, using the first two pokemon used in battle as sacrifices to allow a dragonite to heavily boost itself is shown in these pictures:
http://i.imgur.com/yR7eiuE.png
http://i.imgur.com/LjNYTRf.png
As you can see donphan and espeon used charm and growl to lower snorlax's attack as much as possible, Dragonite then came in and made itself essentially invincible if it was used correctly, the ability to do this is pretty sad in my opinion.
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