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Hello Reader,



Ive decided to write this thread for the reasons listed.



1) Perpetual Beta?

2) CG's?

3) Donations/Servers?

4) Random Points





This is all my personal opinions and curiosity,



1) Beta

The Beta system of this game, I have heard its been in beta for multiple years, thus called a 'perpetual beta', Im wondering if there is any actual release planned or will this be so forever? - Beta is used to define; previews, usability testing, prototypes etc. Will my donating actually make any difference, or is there no planned future release at all?



2) Community Guides, Specifically.

They're ..not getting the job done. (remember this is opinion) I shall bring up several points in which i feel things are most definitely not.. Up to scratch.



a) Several times i have witnessed players muted for inappropriate conversation/language, Often without warning. I fail to make sense of this and conclude it is just people with positions abusing their privileges to 'look cool' or 'feel powerful'. The main quote befor this is to 'keep the chat PG', the term PG refers to 'Parental Guidance' which in most countries is a select group of people under the age of 13 (in some places its 12), However in the policies is CLEARLY states that this game is NOT for children.



b.) The use of Capitals is not taken lightly, in many games it often results in bans, mutes and other 'fitting' punishments, However in PWO I have observed some shocking, what seems to be 'Power-Trips' from CG's, Kicking players who type a single word in capitals.



Example One:

Violent69: Hey man whats up?, i caught a shiny today!

Player1: 'HEY BRO HOW ARE YOU TODAY, I'M HAVING A GREAT DAY!! WANT TO BATTLE ME?!1!1!?! OMFG GZZZZ!!!!!'

Violent69: lol huh dude turn your caps off or youll get a mute.. a Justified Mute.

Community Guide: Player1 has been Muted for 200 seconds

Community Guide: caps



Example Two:

Violent69: Hey man whats up?, i caught a shiny today!

Player2: OMG

Player2: dude thats sick, gz!

Community Guide: Player2 has been Muted for 200 seconds

Community Guide: Don't use caps.



Okay as you can see, in example one the mute would be completely just, there is nothing wrong with it and the CG is doing the job properly, in example two, the CG is out of place.. note the context in which Player2 used his capitals, it is completely different. This doesn't stop them and again i believe its abuse of position or just stupidity.



c) The CG's have GREATLY influenced me in this game when it comes to donating. Truth be told, i really want to donate some cash to PWO, for both better servers and my lack of shiny pokemon, However i find myself held back.. Would i really put forward my hard earned money for a game which is governed by the most immature 'enforces' i have witnessed in the MMO's ive explored thus-far. I feel like it would be paying a corrupt police officer to work for the greater good of the community which would do more harm than good, Thankfully.. this is not tax and we have a choice, I, regretfully, choose not to donate for these reasons, While i get what i want (not supporting the choice of CG's) I also let myself down by holding my money back which results in less money for the PWO team to pay for better servers and such.

The morale of this is, I think there needs to be ALOT more attention put towards choosing who represents the game, Finding people who do NOT abuse their position and actually take up the job to HELP fellow players and over-all better the game.



d) Staff members getting Rare/Legendary Pokemons is utterly unfair, Every player should have the same opportunities as the other. Fair enough if they are NOT used as an advantage, but they are.. be it in-game NPC's or pokemon battles against other players. The 'rules' on legendaries from what ive gathered (via replies of my original thread) Are that they're not aloud to be used in Player battles, or traded, that they're payment for an unpaid job <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/MisdreavusWink.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=";)" />

Now in the original thread i got a whole lot of replies claiming that 'If everyone had one, they wouldn't be legendaries', etc. My answer to this is one of simple origins, in the extreme.. I CLEARLY do NOT state that each player should have access to these pokemon, My point is that CG's (maybe other staff also) should have to work equally as hard as the average player to gain this type of reward. The CG's should have separate accounts, ones for playing the game, and others for helping (CG account for helping of course)



Furthermore id like to add a point i saw in the replies to the original post, realizing that indeed this is happening ALOT, Lets start with the 'PM me and you'll get muted', it was along these lines if i remember rightly, the whole darn point of your CG position is to HELP players, Half the time i personally try to message a CG (or mostly any kind of staff member) They have their private messages turned off, I find this to be one of the most annoying instances, This makes me think of a jehovah witness explaining to their audience that the good lord savior indeed doesn't exist.

[I specifically target the CG's because from my recognition this is where 'most' of the problem lies]



3) Donations and Servers

I was wondering about this, as the server stability in this game is.. Hard to be pleased with.. Do the donations honestly go into bettering the servers, or does it pay for the servers monthly fees and with the remainder McDonalds for lunch each day?

Information on this would have an extreme contribution towards the players donating, if its for the right reasons etc.

This being said, a simple solution is to have a 'State of the game' with what is planned to happen and when, how close it is to happening, etc etc. Frequent updates for the player basis.



What the issue is? If its coding, Tell us that. If its lack of money to afford better servers, say it. We need to know these things in order to know what moves to make. Players can come up with ideas and solutions as well, hence suggestions i suppose, but still.. What we really need is some official information on progress/plans, and maybe a new position made for staff whos job is to re-open the server when they crash (covering all time-zones for minimum downtime)



[Updates from replies to original thread indicate that the issues are with coding mostly]

Again the idea of implementing several staff positions solely for the purpose of re-opening a crashed server would be an ideal way to keep downtown to a minimum, repeating the point; Covering multiple time-zones.



4) Random Stuff

Random stuff being things i can't be bothered blending into the set categories, suggestions mostly.



a) It would be amazing to see a list of the actual 'Rights' staff members have (based on rank) and a designated path to report abuse of position. (a type of citizens arrest)



b.) Second opinions, Basically before a staff member makes a 'bold' move/decision he should check with another staff member to see if it is the appropriate action. I assume that the general reason for having a position is to help, yet its as if some of the staff have their own ambitions and agendas entirely.



c) Cover-Ups, This one really sparks confusion in me.. The original thread I posted was to show people a typical players perspective on the game.. (Not saying im average, for I am god-like, so UT3 keeps telling me) But.. the post gets locked? (being of the excess flame, fair enough) Then suddenly its gone completely, I really don't know how to take that one? Did I show some realistic points as to why this game can often seem 'not worth it', or again is it an individual with their very own agenda ignited by vengeance because they have been caught-out? I doubt not that this thread 'may' get deleted for similar reasons, Thankfully i see through acts of cowardice and plan ahead. Better to own up to your errors than try to cover them, just makes everything seem so much more ridiculous than simply being honest.



I discourage you not, because it is a good and fun game, and could be ultimately successful given the correct tweaks.



Also adding in before I post is that this is OPINION, this is how one player views everything that goes on inside the game and wish only to aid the games development by conveying an average trainers outlook, There is absolutely no need for flame or any bad attitude whatsoever. If you find my opinion insulting, simply don't let it bother you for this is Me, not you.



Violent~
 

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why did you feel the need to post the same topic yet again instead of editing the last one?
 
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[quote name='Stank' timestamp='1318736756' post='13000']

why did you feel the need to post the same topic yet again instead of editing the last one?

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Simply, my old thread was Locked and Removed. Hence the need to re-post the entire thing again. Re-read the last paragraph please good sir.
 

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well if it wqas removed that means "Do Not Post it again"



I'm deleting this AGAIN
 

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[quote name='Violent69' timestamp='1318736409' post='12999']



2) Community Guides, Specifically.

They're ..not getting the job done. (remember this is opinion) I shall bring up several points in which i feel things are most definitely not.. Up to scratch.



a) Several times i have witnessed players muted for inappropriate conversation/language, Often without warning. I fail to make sense of this and conclude it is just people with positions abusing their privileges to 'look cool' or 'feel powerful'. The main quote befor this is to 'keep the chat PG', the term PG refers to 'Parental Guidance' which in most countries is a select group of people under the age of 13 (in some places its 12), However in the policies is CLEARLY states that this game is NOT for children.



There are certain words that are instant mutes. Those mutes should come with a warning. Remember when you signed up to this game and agreed to the rules... yeah that was your first warning. It states language as a no no. Unless you just agreed to something that you didnt even read.



b.) The use of Capitals is not taken lightly, in many games it often results in bans, mutes and other 'fitting' punishments, However in PWO I have observed some shocking, what seems to be 'Power-Trips' from CG's, Kicking players who type a single word in capitals.



Example One:

Violent69: Hey man whats up?, i caught a shiny today!

Player1: 'HEY BRO HOW ARE YOU TODAY, I'M HAVING A GREAT DAY!! WANT TO BATTLE ME?!1!1!?! OMFG GZZZZ!!!!!'

Violent69: lol huh dude turn your caps off or youll get a mute.. a Justified Mute.

Community Guide: Player1 has been Muted for 200 seconds

Community Guide: caps



Example Two:

Violent69: Hey man whats up?, i caught a shiny today!

Player2: OMG

Player2: dude thats sick, gz!

Community Guide: Player2 has been Muted for 200 seconds

Community Guide: Don't use caps.



OMG is okay to be in caps. Players should not get muted for that. One word in caps is okay as long as it doesnt get spammed and disrupt the chat. As for misusing caps players should be first warned and then those come with warnings. if a player gets instant 200 second mute that is power abuse, unless they are an obvious repeat offender and has been told before.





d) Staff members getting Rare/Legendary Pokemons is utterly unfair, Every player should have the same opportunities as the other. Fair enough if they are NOT used as an advantage, but they are.. be it in-game NPC's or pokemon battles against other players. The 'rules' on legendaries from what ive gathered (via replies of my original thread) Are that they're not aloud to be used in Player battles, or traded, that they're payment for an unpaid job <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/MisdreavusWink.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=";)" />

Now in the original thread i got a whole lot of replies claiming that 'If everyone had one, they wouldn't be legendaries', etc. My answer to this is one of simple origins, in the extreme.. I CLEARLY do NOT state that each player should have access to these pokemon, My point is that CG's (maybe other staff also) should have to work equally as hard as the average player to gain this type of reward. The CG's should have separate accounts, ones for playing the game, and others for helping (CG account for helping of course)



Staff accounts do not count as player accounts. They cannot interact with players via trade or battle. Staff dont get paid so whats wrong with staff being able to walk around with a legendary pokemon they like. Essential staff accounts dont count as characters. Also CG's and other staff have player accounts that are completely unaffected from staff. I know Stank goes on his player account sometimes and I even have a player account I go on. Other staff do the same thing.





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Dude, really.





Just stop, the posts were locked for a reason.

Your questions were answered multiple times.
 
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[quote name='SethShadows' timestamp='1318738581' post='13015']

Dude, really.





Just stop, the posts were locked for a reason.

Your questions were answered multiple times.

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Locking it is ok if the reason fits, But simply i want other players to view MY perspective, Perhaps it will answer some questions they themselves have to ask?



It also makes them aware of some things to keep an eye out for..



Everyone is entitled to an opinion, am i wrong?
 

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[quote name='Violent69' timestamp='1318738899' post='13019']

Locking it is ok if the reason fits, But simply i want other players to view MY perspective, Perhaps it will answer some questions they themselves have to ask?



It also makes them aware of some things to keep an eye out for..



Everyone is entitled to an opinion, am i wrong?

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Correct. However this thread turned into a flame war last time, its prominent enough to turn into it again.



Everything has been addressed by multiple people, multiple times except the CG issue. If you have a CG issue, please post a thread in Community Watch to try and prevent flame wars.







EDIT: And to TL;DR the answers from yesterday. Maybe it will be a BETA forever. A fan-made, non profit game like this is all for the experience and ride/thrills that come of it, same as a Pokemon game. If you have a problem with it being in Beta forever, don't donate. Simple as that.
 

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Im going to post this for everyone to see



ANY instances of flaming arising in this thread will be deleted...keep is civilized, this thread has permission to be reposted and was only deleted the first time because of the flame war
 

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I kinda agree with Seth a bit here. Your questions have had input from all sides, at least for the original topic.



Basically, from the last that I saw...



A: Need pictures for staff abuse to be proven. There is already a dedicated "report" center.



B: Legendaries are considered fair because staff don't get anything from them



C: Issues with the server, as well as updates, are available almost everywhere. While you probably won't get a "this specific line of coding messed up" message, if something strange that will impact you happened (Ex: Nintendo's Cease and Desist letter) then it tends to be announced.



D: Donation question has been asked many times. It goes towards the server's upkeep. Debates about "Does it REALLY go to the server's upkeep?!" have happened plenty of times as well.





As for your new questions of "We should see policies for the staff" and "Why was my topic deleted"



I have no idea as of the second. Wasn't there, didn't do it.

As for staff policies, it shouldn't really be a big deal outside of the staff members, in my opinion. The only time it should is when VERIFIED(AKA picture'd) abuse is happening that comes from bad policies, of which I have not seen happen even with those examples. (Not that it's my job, but I'm just saying~) I mean, heck, a GM could go insane and ban people for no reason. It could say "Don't do that" in the policies, yet the person could do it anyway. Therefore, the policy is not to blame.



(And when it is, I feel it shouldn't be a "public trial" for the community to put blame and make long posts about. It just gets long, bothersome, and ends up in nasty fights. Anyone remember the old community watch?)



I promise there's no "You can mute for 99999 seconds if you're standing upside-down on the 2nd Tuesday of the month" rule. They aren't outlandish.



But really...Don't be a hacker, racist, or cuss like a sailor. Follow the rules. Problem solved.
 

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[quote name='Violent69' timestamp='1318738899' post='13019']

Locking it is ok if the reason fits, But simply i want other players to view MY perspective, Perhaps it will answer some questions they themselves have to ask?



It also makes them aware of some things to keep an eye out for..



Everyone is entitled to an opinion, am i wrong?

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well then they could have got your perspective from the first post you made, if it was locked and removed dont make another or it will just happen again, it wasnt me though, i dont care if people complain
 
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[quote name='Tom210' timestamp='1318739725' post='13031']

well then they could have got your perspective from the first post you made, if it was locked and removed dont make another or it will just happen again, it wasnt me though, i dont care if people complain

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I really like Stanks way of putting it, That he will just delete any flame-posts, Possibly if that was done in the first case it would have been a better answer than just outright deleting the thread, therefore no reason to post it again, Regardless this is an edit from the original therefore being different and not the 'same thread', so what harm can it really do?



Also I feel this is being handled in a better way, a more professional manner. So thumbs up to you all <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ChikoritaSmile.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=":)" /> good work
 

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[quote name='Tom210' timestamp='1318739725' post='13031']

i dont care if people complain

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*likes*



[quote name='Violent69' timestamp='1318740042' post='13034']Also I feel this is being handled in a better way, a more professional manner. So thumbs up to you all <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ChikoritaSmile.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=":)" /> good work

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LOL! Does anyone else want to punch this kid in the face? Sorry not flaming, just saying it's not like you have the credibility to congratulate the staff. That one made me chuckle.
 
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[quote name='Violent69' timestamp='1318736409' post='12999']

Hello Reader,



Ive decided to write this thread for the reasons listed.



1) Perpetual Beta?

2) CG's?

3) Donations/Servers?

4) Random Points





This is all my personal opinions and curiosity,



1) Beta

The Beta system of this game, I have heard its been in beta for multiple years, thus called a 'perpetual beta', Im wondering if there is any actual release planned or will this be so forever? - Beta is used to define; previews, usability testing, prototypes etc. Will my donating actually make any difference, or is there no planned future release at all?



Due to the lack of reliable core developers (by reliable I mean working on the project everyday) there are certain aspects of the game that were not getting properly fixed, or even looked into until recently. I have noticed that a lot of things that used to go unchecked, or shrugged to the side are being fixed. New tools are becoming available for work on more content to be completed. With that, I will say there is no specific release date...It's more than likely not going to be for at least another year, maybe never.



2) Community Guides, Specifically.

They're ..not getting the job done. (remember this is opinion) I shall bring up several points in which i feel things are most definitely not.. Up to scratch.



a) Several times i have witnessed players muted for inappropriate conversation/language, Often without warning. I fail to make sense of this and conclude it is just people with positions abusing their privileges to 'look cool' or 'feel powerful'. The main quote befor this is to 'keep the chat PG', the term PG refers to 'Parental Guidance' which in most countries is a select group of people under the age of 13 (in some places its 12), However in the policies is CLEARLY states that this game is NOT for children.



b.) The use of Capitals is not taken lightly, in many games it often results in bans, mutes and other 'fitting' punishments, However in PWO I have observed some shocking, what seems to be 'Power-Trips' from CG's, Kicking players who type a single word in capitals.



Example One:

Violent69: Hey man whats up?, i caught a shiny today!

Player1: 'HEY BRO HOW ARE YOU TODAY, I'M HAVING A GREAT DAY!! WANT TO BATTLE ME?!1!1!?! OMFG GZZZZ!!!!!'

Violent69: lol huh dude turn your caps off or youll get a mute.. a Justified Mute.

Community Guide: Player1 has been Muted for 200 seconds

Community Guide: caps



Example Two:

Violent69: Hey man whats up?, i caught a shiny today!

Player2: OMG

Player2: dude thats sick, gz!

Community Guide: Player2 has been Muted for 200 seconds

Community Guide: Don't use caps.



Okay as you can see, in example one the mute would be completely just, there is nothing wrong with it and the CG is doing the job properly, in example two, the CG is out of place.. note the context in which Player2 used his capitals, it is completely different. This doesn't stop them and again i believe its abuse of position or just stupidity.



I'm sure your example is exaggerated, but I can't recall any time where if a player was muted without warning, where they were not told (via PM, or immediately after the mute in that channel) why they were muted.



c) The CG's have GREATLY influenced me in this game when it comes to donating. Truth be told, i really want to donate some cash to PWO, for both better servers and my lack of shiny pokemon, However i find myself held back.. Would i really put forward my hard earned money for a game which is governed by the most immature 'enforces' i have witnessed in the MMO's ive explored thus-far. I feel like it would be paying a corrupt police officer to work for the greater good of the community which would do more harm than good, Thankfully.. this is not tax and we have a choice, I, regretfully, choose not to donate for these reasons, While i get what i want (not supporting the choice of CG's) I also let myself down by holding my money back which results in less money for the PWO team to pay for better servers and such.

The morale of this is, I think there needs to be ALOT more attention put towards choosing who represents the game, Finding people who do NOT abuse their position and actually take up the job to HELP fellow players and over-all better the game.



I can assure you that no CG sees any of the donation money. For that matter non of the staff do outside of the one that pays the bills.



d) Staff members getting Rare/Legendary Pokemons is utterly unfair, Every player should have the same opportunities as the other. Fair enough if they are NOT used as an advantage, but they are.. be it in-game NPC's or pokemon battles against other players. The 'rules' on legendaries from what ive gathered (via replies of my original thread) Are that they're not aloud to be used in Player battles, or traded, that they're payment for an unpaid job <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/MisdreavusWink.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=";)" />

Now in the original thread i got a whole lot of replies claiming that 'If everyone had one, they wouldn't be legendaries', etc. My answer to this is one of simple origins, in the extreme.. I CLEARLY do NOT state that each player should have access to these pokemon, My point is that CG's (maybe other staff also) should have to work equally as hard as the average player to gain this type of reward. The CG's should have separate accounts, ones for playing the game, and others for helping (CG account for helping of course)

As others have said. Staff are pulled from the community, and as such their original community (player) account is still there. You should never find a legendary there. A staff account is not supposed to have any trading or battling relationships with other players. So it really shouldn't matter what is on the account. Although if it's any consolation to you, CGs can't spawn pokemon, so they still have to be given to them.



Furthermore id like to add a point i saw in the replies to the original post, realizing that indeed this is happening ALOT, Lets start with the 'PM me and you'll get muted', it was along these lines if i remember rightly, the whole darn point of your CG position is to HELP players, Half the time i personally try to message a CG (or mostly any kind of staff member) They have their private messages turned off, I find this to be one of the most annoying instances, This makes me think of a jehovah witness explaining to their audience that the good lord savior indeed doesn't exist.

[I specifically target the CG's because from my recognition this is where 'most' of the problem lies]

I have always understood why GMs, GEs, and higher typically have PMs off. They are almost always in-game because they have something specific they are working on, and don't want to be bothered while working on it. Which is fine, it isn't their job to deal with players. That's a CGs job. On a side note, I never have my PMs off, I am almost never Anonymous, nor do I typically see other CGs that way. So I'm curious who you are PMing that has theirs off...



3) Donations and Servers

I was wondering about this, as the server stability in this game is.. Hard to be pleased with.. Do the donations honestly go into bettering the servers, or does it pay for the servers monthly fees and with the remainder McDonalds for lunch each day?

Information on this would have an extreme contribution towards the players donating, if its for the right reasons etc.

This being said, a simple solution is to have a 'State of the game' with what is planned to happen and when, how close it is to happening, etc etc. Frequent updates for the player basis.



What the issue is? If its coding, Tell us that. If its lack of money to afford better servers, say it. We need to know these things in order to know what moves to make. Players can come up with ideas and solutions as well, hence suggestions i suppose, but still.. What we really need is some official information on progress/plans, and maybe a new position made for staff whos job is to re-open the server when they crash (covering all time-zones for minimum downtime)

I'm sure if you have read around enough, you should know that the main issue with crashes is faulty coding, or a NPC screw up (iBlameMad). I would also have to say no to staff with server restart powers. It requires access to stuff that you shouldn't have access too if that's all your doing.



[Updates from replies to original thread indicate that the issues are with coding mostly]

Again the idea of implementing several staff positions solely for the purpose of re-opening a crashed server would be an ideal way to keep downtown to a minimum, repeating the point; Covering multiple time-zones.



4) Random Stuff

Random stuff being things i can't be bothered blending into the set categories, suggestions mostly.



a) It would be amazing to see a list of the actual 'Rights' staff members have (based on rank) and a designated path to report abuse of position. (a type of citizens arrest)



b.) Second opinions, Basically before a staff member makes a 'bold' move/decision he should check with another staff member to see if it is the appropriate action. I assume that the general reason for having a position is to help, yet its as if some of the staff have their own ambitions and agendas entirely.

I can agree with this to an extent. And I can certainly admit there have been days where I have logged in pissed at the world, just waiting for an excuse to mute someone, however we all have those days. AlsoI then raise the question where there is only 1 staff member on at a given time (this happens often, and sometimes for hours at a time). Should a situation come up where a bold move/decision is almost required to keep things in line? It is easy to point out the flaws in a system, but not so easy to correctly fix the flaw.



c) Cover-Ups, This one really sparks confusion in me.. The original thread I posted was to show people a typical players perspective on the game.. (Not saying im average, for I am god-like, so UT3 keeps telling me) But.. the post gets locked? (being of the excess flame, fair enough) Then suddenly its gone completely, I really don't know how to take that one? Did I show some realistic points as to why this game can often seem 'not worth it', or again is it an individual with their very own agenda ignited by vengeance because they have been caught-out? I doubt not that this thread 'may' get deleted for similar reasons, Thankfully i see through acts of cowardice and plan ahead. Better to own up to your errors than try to cover them, just makes everything seem so much more ridiculous than simply being honest.



I discourage you not, because it is a good and fun game, and could be ultimately successful given the correct tweaks.



Also adding in before I post is that this is OPINION, this is how one player views everything that goes on inside the game and wish only to aid the games development by conveying an average trainers outlook, There is absolutely no need for flame or any bad attitude whatsoever. If you find my opinion insulting, simply don't let it bother you for this is Me, not you.



Violent~

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I wanted to add something regarding the staff restarting position. Although I do not agree with it at all, It does bring to mind the work that was supposedly done on a auto-restarter. I'm curious what happened to that.
 

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a) Several times i have witnessed players muted for inappropriate conversation/language, Often without warning. I fail to make sense of this and conclude it is just people with positions abusing their privileges to 'look cool' or 'feel powerful'. The main quote befor this is to 'keep the chat PG', the term PG refers to 'Parental Guidance' which in most countries is a select group of people under the age of 13 (in some places its 12), However in the policies is CLEARLY states that this game is NOT for children.


I don't see this, instead I see:

In order to protect the privacy interests of minors, we do not allow children under the age of 18 to participate in any service provided by CodeCore Entertainment or Pokémon World Online, including forums and game, without the consent of a parent or guardian.

Example One:

Example Two:

Violent69: Hey man whats up?, i caught a shiny today!

Player2: OMG

Player2: dude thats sick, gz!

Community Guide: Player2 has been Muted for 200 seconds

Community Guide: Don't use caps.

If this has been happening, it's up to the players to report it to the CG Lead or an Admin.



d) Staff members getting Rare/Legendary Pokemons is utterly unfair, Every player should have the same opportunities as the other. Fair enough if they are NOT used as an advantage, but they are.. be it in-game NPC's or pokemon battles against other players. The 'rules' on legendaries from what ive gathered (via replies of my original thread) Are that they're not aloud to be used in Player battles, or traded, that they're payment for an unpaid job <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/MisdreavusWink.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=";)" />

Now in the original thread i got a whole lot of replies claiming that 'If everyone had one, they wouldn't be legendaries', etc. My answer to this is one of simple origins, in the extreme.. I CLEARLY do NOT state that each player should have access to these pokemon, My point is that CG's (maybe other staff also) should have to work equally as hard as the average player to gain this type of reward. The CG's should have separate accounts, ones for playing the game, and others for helping (CG account for helping of course)

I don't have a problem with staff only having legendaries myself however if it becomes just for show for other players, and the member of staff purposely being annoying with it - it would be removed.



urthermore id like to add a point i saw in the replies to the original post, realizing that indeed this is happening ALOT, Lets start with the 'PM me and you'll get muted', it was along these lines if i remember rightly, the whole darn point of your CG position is to HELP players, Half the time i personally try to message a CG (or mostly any kind of staff member) They have their private messages turned off, I find this to be one of the most annoying instances

I don't have an issue with CGs having PMs off as long as they are actively helping in chat. If they aren't and they don't have a good reason for not doing so then there is clearly an issue.



3) Donations and Servers

I was wondering about this, as the server stability in this game is.. Hard to be pleased with.. Do the donations honestly go into bettering the servers, or does it pay for the servers monthly fees and with the remainder McDonalds for lunch each day?

It's been stated in the past and I can't ever recall it being any different that donations pay to keep up the server as well as the current forums you're using.



What the issue is? If its coding, Tell us that. If its lack of money to afford better servers, say it. We need to know these things in order to know what moves to make. Players can come up with ideas and solutions as well, hence suggestions i suppose, but still.. What we really need is some official information on progress/plans, and maybe a new position made for staff whos job is to re-open the server when they crash (covering all time-zones for minimum downtime)

There doesn't need to be a new position, in my view it's highly stupid to consider there to be a rank just for restarting the server. The issue has always been the coding, with the constant crashes this week - Tom and Jinji have been looking into it and last I recall they pinpointed where it was coming from. I was looking into being able to restart the server from my mobile, on the way I found this: http://store.ovi.com...ications&pos=30 - at the moment this doesn't fully support all the needs we have however if there is something similar, feel free to recommend it.



a) It would be amazing to see a list of the actual 'Rights' staff members have (based on rank) and a designated path to report abuse of position. (a type of citizens arrest)

Community Watch rings a bell.
 
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It's been stated in the past and I can't ever recall it being any different that donations pay to keep up the server as well as the current forums you're using.





There doesn't need to be a new position, in my view it's highly stupid to consider there to be a rank just for restarting the server. The issue has always been the coding, with the constant crashes this week - Tom and Jinji have been looking into it and last I recall they pinpointed where it was coming from. I was looking into being able to restart the server from my mobile, on the way I found this: http://store.ovi.com...ications&pos=30 - at the moment this doesn't fully support all the needs we have however if there is something similar, feel free to recommend it.



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1) Just curious after all this, do any of the staff actually know what goes on financially with the game/donation system? I see alot of 'it goes towards the servers' (usually check forums when the game crashes), From what i gather it goes to one guy.. Nobody else knows anything about it more than that.. It may not be the case but a little more teamwork among staff would do wonders for this game.



2) So to have more people re-open an extremely unstable game is highly stupid to consider? But setting up your mobile phone to open it isn't? Basically my idea covers that WHEN they go down, someone who can re-open it be present the majority of the time, to avoid them being down for hours at a time. If the coding cant keep up, have a team to physically maintain up-time.. I can't help but see something along these lines a temporary and easyfix?



It's really hard to predict the future of this game, The updates are pretty cool though (content).



Thanks for the replies everyone - I'm much more aware what goes on in/out of this game already <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ChikoritaSmile.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=":)" />



And remember~ Opinion..
 

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[quote name='Violent69' timestamp='1318799271' post='13241']

1) Just curious after all this, do any of the staff actually know what goes on financially with the game/donation system? I see alot of 'it goes towards the servers' (usually check forums when the game crashes), From what i gather it goes to one guy.. Nobody else knows anything about it more than that.. It may not be the case but a little more teamwork among staff would do wonders for this game.

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As far as i'm aware Xan only is in the loop with regards to the money, Jinji and Zammbi might but that's for them to confirm.



[quote name='Violent69' timestamp='1318799271' post='13241']

2) So to have more people re-open an extremely unstable game is highly stupid to consider? But setting up your mobile phone to open it isn't? Basically my idea covers that WHEN they go down, someone who can re-open it be present the majority of the time, to avoid them being down for hours at a time. If the coding cant keep up, have a team to physically maintain up-time.. I can't help but see something along these lines a temporary and easyfix?

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The reason I branded it stupid is since it would require giving server access to someone and just to give this for someone who will restart it is stupid in my book and an accident waiting to happen. We need more devs, not more server restart people. Restarting it isn't going to fix problems.
 
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The reason I branded it stupid is since it would require giving server access to someone and just to give this for someone who will restart it is stupid in my book and an accident waiting to happen.

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Indeed, That would be an unwise move when you put it that way.



It would be really cool to hear what ideas you have for combating this, the server crashes are inevitable (by the sounds, for now) so the main issue is the downtime, and obviously rollbacks etc, the mobile phone thing - People will txt you 'servers are down', or is it like the server status page etc? Or even BLEEP BLEEP 'servers down'. Interesting knowing how somthing like that would work.



Anyway thanks for the productive answers, also on a side note it would be good to get in-touch with this Xan and pass on some questions, I personally would feel a whole heap more safe donating knowing its for the right cause. =]
 

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[quote name='Violent69' timestamp='1318809422' post='13291']

Indeed, That would be an unwise move when you put it that way.



It would be really cool to hear what ideas you have for combating this, the server crashes are inevitable (by the sounds, for now) so the main issue is the downtime, and obviously rollbacks etc, the mobile phone thing - People will txt you 'servers are down', or is it like the server status page etc? Or even BLEEP BLEEP 'servers down'. Interesting knowing how somthing like that would work.

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Nah, since usually people have a status update moaning about the server being down anyway - I can just use that as a guide for if it is down or not. I've made contact with the developer with regards to their Touch App. Also to add, Vetle has as of yesterday been given server access now - he was previously a dev without it and now has it so that should somewhat help cover for some of the hours me, Jinji and Tom aren't around. Server downtime has improved in the past few weeks so hopefully it will continue to head in a positive direction.
 
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