Alarming situation and Donations!

[matileo19]

Adds? You mean like, additions? Additions like(...)

It wasn't me who wrote that, but I can clear what he meant: advertisements.
On playerdex there are banners with ads.

It was a joke, CoffeeLover. The correct abbreviation for "adverts" is "Ads", not "Adds" - I was pointing out the mistake in my usual humourous tone, while also making a point that advertising has nothing to do with the decision to use the Playerdex for the current Mart system. I was actually going to be MORE blunt about it, but I'm neither heartless nor a grammar nazi.

I might also add at this point that I personally hate advertising as well.

Nothing has to be added- I understand, you're a grammar nazi & I liqe itt , but concideryng dhat dhis is a online game... patiense man, we will learn how to write your language, give us timme.

 

[I.Am]

Moneh. Gimme moneehh !!

 

[HitmonFonty]

"Playerdex is nice thing to have yes but it's easy to be exploited. Someone with basic knowledge if they are bored can exploit it easily."

Personally I think this is an exaggeration, but if there is any basis in truth to it please do use the Playerdex Bug Catcher and report it- of course checking the 'private' box so nobody sees the exploit. No doubt your forum report was removed or hidden for just that reason- because it was a good report and needed to be hidden from those who would try to benefit from it.

What we have had with the New Playerdex are teething problems, no more, no less. The bans, or many of them, though inconvenient to those who received them, were necessary evils, and many have been/will be removed following thorough investigation. We all wanted the New Playerdex released as soon as it possibly could be- that has been done- and these initial glitches are just the way it had to be when we have to rely fairly heavily on player testing.


It's the same with the spawn testing though less players actually notice it- some players have benefited from testing, others have had to hunt longer for less reward while we've adjusted the spawns to their desired levels- and this is still going on today. Most PWO releases will come out this way exactly, not perfect and waiting on feedback from you. Staff are few, players are many and your testing will give us better and faster results in most cases.

 

[Sabo]

Sabo...
Chill out, man.
You could probably sift through my posts and find plenty of negative comments, but I disagree with most of your criticisms. This game is not dying. Of course the number of active players playing the game are dwindling. PWO is a simple, highly-repetitive, and limited game.

I take it that you joined few months ago and that you can barely trade in the game? You may think it's not dying given the fact you never progressed enough in the game and blended enough with it's community. You will be better of taking some time of from IRC and invest more to the game and it's situation itself rather then being lousy conversationalist.

but as soon as the new client comes out and the game is available once more, the players will flock back to this game.

I think you are getting wrong picture there. The game wont change much and there will not be any special changes anytime soon. A new client thats a clone to the same broken game...without rewriting lots of server..can't change the gameplay. You will also have a lot of time spend for testing and deal with the bugs and exploits. That very client in works for almost 3 years now is what you are talking about, yet Shane gave source code to Hardcoreh so he can easily see how the client works etc...Saves a lot of time...It's just traveling back to past for few months where you had stable client getting an update. Don't forget that most of the staff will still remain which means you can't expect anything special happening. Not with current culture. Also damn...if you can't make fully working client and fully tested in a month then screw everything lol.

And Hitmon, playerdex is a bomb. You had God knows how many events happened to prove you different. It all took a lot of time and I still think it was released too soon. Playerdex shouldn't be in middle of your focus now. You should be at the point where playerdex is circulating properly with no bugs etc....and especially discussing about the guilds on off topic. Just sort out your priorities and that's it. You also need manpower to follow the game. Don't go too much from the path you know. As for spawn project, it's nice project but its taking a lot of time and thinking so...>its just pokemon game mmo...those should be done in a day or 2. If it takes so much time peoople will loose interest...pretty much what happened here.

For people who thinks that game is not in deep sh** you should be labeled as enemy of the system and banned for slowing down the progress. Forcing staff to think that there are no issues to be taken care of. You have to make them to see issues. Can't expect anything special to happen otherwise.

 

[Franc92]

Sabo...
Chill out, man.
You could probably sift through my posts and find plenty of negative comments, but I disagree with most of your criticisms. This game is not dying. Of course the number of active players playing the game are dwindling. PWO is a simple, highly-repetitive, and limited game.

I take it that you joined few months ago and that you can barely trade in the game? You may think it's not dying given the fact you never progressed enough in the game and blended enough with it's community. You will be better of taking some time of from IRC and invest more to the game and it's situation itself rather then being lousy conversationalist.

but as soon as the new client comes out and the game is available once more, the players will flock back to this game.

I think you are getting wrong picture there. The game wont change much and there will not be any special changes anytime soon. A new client thats a clone to the same broken game...without rewriting lots of server..can't change the gameplay. You will also have a lot of time spend for testing and deal with the bugs and exploits. That very client in works for almost 3 years now is what you are talking about, yet Shane gave source code to Hardcoreh so he can easily see how the client works etc...Saves a lot of time...It's just traveling back to past for few months where you had stable client getting an update. Don't forget that most of the staff will still remain which means you can't expect anything special happening. Not with current culture. Also damn...if you can't make fully working client and fully tested in a month then screw everything lol.

And Hitmon, playerdex is a bomb. You had God knows how many events happened to prove you different. It all took a lot of time and I still think it was released too soon. Playerdex shouldn't be in middle of your focus now. You should be at the point where playerdex is circulating properly with no bugs etc....and especially discussing about the guilds on off topic. Just sort out your priorities and that's it. You also need manpower to follow the game. Don't go too much from the path you know. As for spawn project, it's nice project but its taking a lot of time and thinking so...>its just pokemon game mmo...those should be done in a day or 2. If it takes so much time peoople will loose interest...pretty much what happened here.

For people who thinks that game is not in deep sh** you should be labeled as enemy of the system and banned for slowing down the progress. Forcing staff to think that there are no issues to be taken care of. You have to make them to see issues. Can't expect anything special to happen otherwise.

Sabo made a good point. Do we really want to take care about this wonderfull game anymore, or just quit all? It's a matter of time, our greatest enemy.

 

[Pretentious]

Sabo,

I'm guessing you think I've only been playing for a few months because this forum name is only a few months old? Basing my assumptions on that, is it safe to say you've only been playing this game for a year?

Don't be so pretentious, Sabo.

I don't play this game to be a competitive battler or a well-known collector. If the battle system is ever up-to-date (not literally, but at least up to the current system it's supposed to operate under) then I'd love to do that. And I'm pretty sure it'll eventually get there.

How can you say that players won't come back to the game after the new client is released and new players can play again? Because this recent "hiccup" is nothing compared to what has happened in the past. After the C&D letter, the community found its way back. The same with the Zidonuke incident. People will always search for a Pokemon MMO and this one will be here waiting for them. So what if it isn't perfect. Its never been perfect and it never will be.

Here's my suggestion...
Why don't you just quit? Just leave. Go on somewhere else. You're complaining about playing a game which apparently isn't good enough for you, even though it's your personal choice to play or not. Criticizing and offering suggestions is fair game, but at the same time you're telling the staff they need to shut down the game that you're still playing? ??? This isn't just for you Sabo, this goes for everyone who is demanding for it to shut down. I think it's time you go outside, take a break from being an Internet tough guy, and enjoy some fresh air for a change.

 

[Sabo]

Sabo,

I'm guessing you think I've only been playing for a few months because this forum name is only a few months old? Basing my assumptions on that, is it safe to say you've only been playing this game for a year?

No. The way you post and your lack of common knowledge saved me of hassle to look up your profile.

I don't play this game to be a competitive battler or a well-known collector. If the battle system is ever up-to-date (not literally, but at least up to the current system it's supposed to operate under) then I'd love to do that. And I'm pretty sure it'll eventually get there.

What for you are playing it then? All that time playing you don't even have a lvl 99 Pokemon. 50 rep barely. Not quite sure why are you trying to be a philosopher. You will be better of learning game ways and ways of it's community. You may realize what game truly needs. You have 1000 people and 1000 events to tell you that such way of thinking costed this game.

How can you say that players won't come back to the game after the new client is released and new players can play again? Because this recent "hiccup" is nothing compared to what has happened in the past. After the C&D letter, the community found its way back. The same with the Zidonuke incident. People will always search for a Pokemon MMO and this one will be here waiting for them. So what if it isn't perfect. Its never been perfect and it never will be.

You shouldn't be playing with the playerbase and rolling the dice. For now PWO is everything about overusing the same resource over and over. Some changes might happen but not anytime soon.

Here's my suggestion...
Why don't you just quit? Just leave. Go on somewhere else. You're complaining about playing a game which apparently isn't good enough for you, even though it's your personal choice to play or not. Criticizing and offering suggestions is fair game, but at the same time you're telling the staff they need to shut down the game that you're still playing? ??? This isn't just for you Sabo, this goes for everyone who is demanding for it to shut down. I think it's time you go outside, take a break from being an Internet tough guy, and enjoy some fresh air for a change.

Learn the difference between playing and being bored logging in only for a minute a day. Suggestion was mostly about closing the donations until playerdex is tested enough. Also I don't like that wannabe tough guy and wannabe philosopher is questioning my place in the world. You have to topic made by me and you should respect its flow. As said, you have and you had 1000 of people to prove you that such opinion is invalid. It's not hard to do the math here. You can't invent something that was already invented. Now please respect my topic and take that opinion of yours from where you came. Game had enough of single minded people. It's time for changes. You will be better of giving fake support on IRC. You are making yourself look bad. If a Pokemon mechanism is beyond your head then good luck to you. Now go back on IRC and idle there. I am sure you will find few people that shares same opinion as you do. GG

 

[CrimsonSapphire]

someone just got rekt

 

[Pretentious]

What for you are playing it then? All that time playing you don't even have a lvl 99 Pokemon. 50 rep barely. Not quite sure why are you trying to be a philosopher. You will be better of learning game ways and ways of it's community. You may realize what game truly needs. You have 1000 people and 1000 events to tell you that such way of thinking costed this game.

Obviously your comprehension skills aren't up to par with your supposed knowledge of this game and its community. This is an alternate account I created to help test the Re-Spawn project while also playing through the game once again. Do you really think I'd be offering my two cents if I never finished this game or had level 99 Pokemon?

You shouldn't be playing with the playerbase and rolling the dice. For now PWO is everything about overusing the same resource over and over. Some changes might happen but not anytime soon.

Your first sentence doesn't even make sense. The last two sentences: thank you for agreeing with what I said.

Learn the difference between playing and being bored logging in only for a minute a day. Suggestion was mostly about closing the donations until playerdex is tested enough. Also I don't like that wannabe tough guy and wannabe philosopher is questioning my place in the world. You have to topic made by me and you should respect its flow.

Are you insinuating that you're a player who logs in for a few minutes a day, or are you saying that I am? I know the difference, but I also can see you're way too angry for no reason. Following the flow of your topic is what made me post in the first place. As I mentioned already, your suggestion was fine. But what made me post was:

You have lost too many people old friend. There is really no need to go with this any further.

Go ahead and leave if you're done with the game, boy.

As said, you have and you had 1000 of people to prove you that such opinion is invalid. It's not hard to do the math here. You can't invent something that was already invented. Now please respect my topic and take that opinion of yours from where you came. Game had enough of single minded people. It's time for changes. You will be better of giving fake support on IRC. You are making yourself look bad. If a Pokemon mechanism is beyond your head then good luck to you. Now go back on IRC and idle there. I am sure you will find few people that shares same opinion as you do. GG

My opinion.. that.. if you don't like the game that you're playing you should just leave? That's perfectly valid.

Also.. fake support on IRC? I answer obvious questions if no one else answers them. Sorry for trying to help out <3

I'm making myself look bad? You're crying over a video game because you're not talented enough to make one yourself. I'm done feeding your ignorance.

 

[mad30]

Your clearly both older than your current account suggests and because of this you believe your input is more valuable than the other, but in the wrong long I doubt either of you have been here longer than 2 years otherwise you would know people have been saying this game has been dying since 2009 and guess what... it's still not dead.

 

[Sabo]

As for taking a break, that was planned for September however I didn't manage to take that due to various events across the month. Jinji will be taking over move fixes once he refamiliarises himself with the server code. The problem is we were previously a 3 man admin team. Since then we had Teck leave. Teck (& Shane) as you know was dealing with move fixes and since he left, that was decided to be picked up by me (once again).

Would thugie return knowing that shane has no way of entering the game again? Assuming he left due to shane comming back why wouldn't he consider the position again. He is dedicated person when he has a time. Bluerise, you have a fine programmer in your team but you decide to limit him moving him to the unknown rank called human relations. You pretty much limited him there where he is not able to show his talent. Guy is coding for a living and currently employed as a software engineer. When I was talking to him I saw that he has a vision and will to put some effort. Why limit the guy like that? If you offered him dev position what do you think he would choose? He is just quiet person and dont want to say anything. I feel you two should talk about this matter as you are in need of dedicated dev. Don't brought up xan as an excuse here. There have been few devs and admins promoted without xan. Pretty sure he wouldn't mind such thing. If you feel he would then why are you still here? If you want better for your team you have to fight for it. You cant stand there as your team is shattering around.

Obviously your comprehension skills aren't up to par with your supposed knowledge of this game and its community. This is an alternate account I created to help test the Re-Spawn project while also playing through the game once again. Do you really think I'd be offering my two cents if I never finished this game or had level 99 Pokemon?

You aren't showing that you might have some sort of PWO experience and that you know the game. What are you showing is typical behavior of someone who comes from IRC and it wants to be wanted. 01:18<Pretentious> They're trying to force us to use Mibbit
That is your concern. To make your IRC idling experience more eye friendly.

Are you insinuating that you're a player who logs in for a few minutes a day, or are you saying that I am? I know the difference, but I also can see you're way too angry for no reason. Following the flow of your topic is what made me post in the first place. As I mentioned already, your suggestion was fine. But what made me post was:

I wouldn't call myself angry. I would be angry if I ran from a shiny Poke or lost battle. But when things like these are happening you can barely find the expression for it. And Pretentious, you are nothing then a fan boy who can't think properly and do 2+2. What are you saying is that certain events never happened and what thousands of people are saying is a wrong thing. You would be perfect candidate for PWO staff since they still have that culture that is singleminded. But then again, you are too much of a wannabe and single minded. So I guess they will never offer you a position if they plan on moving on towards betterment.

Go ahead and leave if you're done with the game, boy.

You are one of the last people in position to suggest people what to do. I wouldn't be listening someone who is being spoon fed constantly. At the end you would have the game with 13 people in it. You have few people sharing that wannabe opinion like you do and thats it. You have to face with the fact that the game is in deep ****. You support the fault. Playerdex for more then 2 years and client almost 3. That is something beyond ridicilous. You are nothing then a rat trying to move from the path as bigger species are on the move. When someone with proper opinion and stance from another group marches on you get boot. That is pretty much it. Rat is actually good word. I had a doubt between rat and parasite but I decided to go for rat. It's too soon for you be labeled as parasite. In near future, maybe...who knows. So yeah...your PWO life challenge is how to let big dogs to pass and getting boot from others. Thats why PWO always needed disinfection. You smell like a rotten dried fish trying to make its way out into the garbage.

My opinion.. that.. if you don't like the game that you're playing you should just leave? That's perfectly valid.

Also.. fake support on IRC? I answer obvious questions if no one else answers them. Sorry for trying to help out <3

I'm making myself look bad? You're crying over a video game because you're not talented enough to make one yourself. I'm done feeding your ignorance.

It's not about liking the game. The game might be golden it will still be a Pokemon MMO. I am here mostly because of friends and others people I know...If I am here because of the game like you are...?Then I would be having serious social issues. This is more about the community and having fun with people you know.

It's not bad to help out. I support you there...SAD thing is that you never learned anything from it and you are giving the fake feeling of balance to the staff having such opinion. You locked yourself into the primitive small world of thoughts...You can't see anything more then that. Your posts would be perfect example for that. Someone who is defending the system (not staff) at times like these deserves boot and disinfection treatmant. Because soon such people might grow into parasites that can crawl under someones skin.

Only one who is ignorant here is you. You are splashing in a swamp while the drought is out there. As for the video game, once again. I am not here because of the game. I had nostalgia feeling for a few days until I met some people. And I don't have interest of making any game. You can't code in the community you know?

Your clearly both older than your current account suggests and because of this you believe your input is more valuable than the other, but in the wrong long I doubt either of you have been here longer than 2 years otherwise you would know people have been saying this game has been dying since 2009 and guess what... it's still not dead.

Ive been around here long before that mad. I actually played PWO constantly till I decided to take a short break. When I came back I lost several key pokemon since I gave them on daycare to gms back then. I remember gms using level 500 NPC with lame pokemon to level up the other people Pokemon. During that time I lost access to my mail because my ISP decided to shut the service down for me. But I started again shortly after the nintendo incident. But nvm that now...Some believed that the game might be dying but you know very well this is different. That was rather legal issue but the game was active and people were coming along. You were a CG back then if I recal correctly then you had Bis to train you for a GM. After that you became a scripter, a GE. After some time you got promoted to the admin. So what do we have here is a guy experiencing more then one rank, rich PWO experience will to do effort (you showed that will when you became an admin having server and db access). All these years you were pretty much non stop active...You were able to come along with some staff members. But let's look into the modern times. You obviously left due to being fed up of staff system, the way how bluerise and others are managing the game and so on. Even if you are employed it can still give you long enough hours to carry out the duties. But you simply got fed up. That is quite visible and noticable. What staff became is something you never wanted it to become. You know very well I have a point here. Bluerise will never have leadership spirit at this point. People like you and crenel are okay example of how one should manage the game and staff. But yeah, try to be like that and you will be ganged upon. I read most of your topics so I can say that with no doubt. Crenel tried to come back so staff gave him CG app if I read correctly (can't remember the name and doesnt matter now) but he probably felt this is something he never expected to be so he faded away.

What staff needs is pushing. Showing them what the game needs. Since the battery is dead you have to push the car in order to start it. Most of you barely have any energy left so you need to be pushed and people to show you what the game needs so you can do the priority list more properly. You also need some portion of intercation with people. I remember when mad was ingame he had awesome way of interacting with people and harmless trolling. But if you see staff like Bluerise with 0 interaction skills with the players you instantly get another picture. Login and copy paste bit.ly/pwoupdates a nd twitter and how to reset your passoword...Sometimes you have to make players to feel wanted and special even. No one likes to feel unwanted, unwelcome and unnecessary except the fanboys. It's time for people to wake up and realize that PWO is on the edge. This time is for real...What may happen in a month or so from now is the worst thing you faced with ever since you were given admin. You may or may not be aware of what I am talking about. But eventually you will see just to make sure. And if you are not strong when that happens you will be done for good.

 

[Fadoka]

Who is the Pretentious guy? someone give him a boot , thanks

My regards.

 

[matileo19]

Your clearly both older than your current account suggests and because of this you believe your input is more valuable than the other, but in the wrong long I doubt either of you have been here longer than 2 years otherwise you would know people have been saying this game has been dying since 2009 and guess what... it's still not dead.

Its not dead , thats true... Its not dead because PWO had many ups and downs and a great community, thats why its not dead, mainly because of the community. Shutting pwo down isn't a solution, its probably a selfish opinion, but I'd like to admint that this time, this time, the chances of not surviving are over the cap. Because of Shane? Yes ofcourse, because of the lack of updates, the badly management I'd say and everything you know.
There have been many complains about the staff, but there's no change, yes! We have more apprentices now, but they have been chosen by the current staff members, its the same team, with more members, nothing will change unless one of these apprentices climbs to the rank of admin or dev, which is actually impossible considering how hard is for some to give the leadership.
There's frustation and impotence (mainly) you will never get a fully answer for the things you complain for, exept from Jinji who I really admire, but unfortunately he isn't cappable to add the content that pwo needs, the main things, but well, if you're a good leader you'll put teams for each area and there are only 2 admins.

 

[ArcticSun]

Pretentious and Sabo you both need to cool off.

This topic is open because so far it has just been people sharing their opinions to create a discussion and not a baseless slander match, which both of you are slowly turning this topic into.

If this topic continues to degrade in quality due to this it will be locked.

 

[ArcticSun]

Topic unlocked.

Keep it calm guys, this is the last chance.

 

[Sabo]

Over the past few months there have been many issues which have made it difficult for older players to re-connect with this game, but as soon as the new client comes out and the game is available once more, the players will flock back to this game

Okay I will comment on this again seeing how you guys don't reply on any of my previous posts.If you all really think new client will fix everything ,then we are in deeper **** then I though..We all know what will happen soon. You may hate to admit or talk about it but yeah time work against you.. Who would chose PWO and his broken system over fully working one like other games have??? PWO had something special by following original game, having 2 basic regions for ages and eventually you started to take away locking yourself and game progress away.

Lets say i wanna play pokemon MMO i google for some .Okay i go and check PWO...Right after I start I notice the game is heavily broken especially its battle ingame and other essential feature. but okay can live with it..So I beat the game and quests in 2/3 days..Then i get bored and try battle...More you battle more you can see how games broken... Then i see Trade channel some veteran player link me shiny poke all ivs 28+ wow im amazed because usaully in pokemon games shiny pokes don't have such ivs.So i buy ms to hunt and when i get my first shiny. Boom! Ivs are not 28 + so another disappointment because i don't have same chances as ppl who played longer have.Tbh that lack of creativity in past where you decide to make shiny 28+ made pwo special.But then to in desperate attempt to save economy u decide to change that .Not thinking how that will acutally have discouraging effect on new players...because they don't have same chances now.You can see that on forum we had few topics from new players about that.Tbh i personally love 20-32 ivs range ,but if im new i would complain too.But the main problem for PWO is yet to come. YOu may reduced IVs and instantly eliminated newbs but you know very well that you will have to eliminate older players. That is going to happen when or if you decide to introduce at least Abiltites and EVs. You made newbs to turn back now you will make older players to turn back. SO at the end no one is left. You may also want to purge the user data aka reseting accounts and start a new. So anything what you do will have very bad impact on the playerbase. Therefore, whole game.


This is when all went wrong after this you slowly started to lose control. You made PWO pay to win game.Ask any other older player they all will agree on this.
And with broken and overused token store.This is what actually ruined economy .Botters ,scammer,and speedhackers are nothing compare to this.We even had event or something where token pokes had 15+ IVs. We have in token store pokes wich are HR and really hard to find in game.Someone spend 20 hours looking for one pokemon. And then someone whp is rich irl spend 100 $ to get better ivs , Just like that 10 min few clicks without any effort and he have something wich would take some normal players 20-50h. Only those have chance to be equal with older players tbh .You need to be dumb and have deep pocket if you want to be competitive. Yeah i said dumb because actually if you see how this game is broken ,you have to be dumb to donate. Best example would be this

That's why only buy tokens from trusted seller like me

He sell tokens in my topic where i actually try to prove ppl that this game is dying . Gl to you mate you are really dumb or you are so rich that you don't care for money. Nothing personal against you ofc just used you as example . But yeah he have like 200h and 6 teams of 99 pokes all decent pokes tbh. No effort at all but yeah he is competitive must admit that. So you see only guys with deep pockets can actually achieve something in this game. And you let it happen because we still have same overused token store. Having rare, VR, and HR pokemon in TS is rather meaningless. You want to encourage people to hunt not to buy their way into the game. You can say that before there was gap between donators and pepole who don't donate .But that diffrence was not this Huge . Even new playerdex made it worse with those new prices in token store gap is even bigger.That was something special in PWO as well but that no longer exist.

You need to think what to do next really.You don't have much time.Time is your enemy now,longer we wait for new client and updates u have less chance to keep your players. You need somehow put back in ballance things between donators and non-donators. Redo that overused token store ,remove pokes wich you have in game out of token store heck remove all pokes from token store would be best idea .Get few fresh peaple on ur team , try work with people which don't have same opinion as you do. Give powers to Lumi...he is better coder then all of you together. Dont try to do all on your own allow people to help you. Dont overthink too much .This game don't have time for your ovethinking.Time to Move this thing on the road again ..Best of luck

EDIT:keep in mind i had to edit and cut big part of my post because i advertised another game

 

[Saric]

Keep in mind I've only skimmed over this topic, but here are a few tidbits.

YOu may reduced IVs and instantly eliminated newbs but you know very well that you will have to eliminate older players. That is going to happen when or if you decide to introduce at least Abiltites and EVs

I don't see how either of those would eliminate the older players. Maybe EVs, but abilities? I doubt people would leave just because the game is progressing.

This is when all went wrong after this you slowly started to lose control. You made PWO pay to win game.Ask any other older player they all will agree on this.

That wasn't the starting point. Ever since PWO has had membership alone (which is pretty much since forever) it's been pay to win. Simply by having the whole token aspect makes it pay to win unless you get insanely lucky and find something valuable in game.

Now (and it has been for a while), you won't be successful playing the market at all unless you get lucky, do daycares (which usually involve mem), or by token selling.

Yeah i said dumb because actually if you see how this game is broken ,you have to be dumb to donate.

Okay, in your entire post you make a lot of points (some of them very valid) about helping the game, etc.
Now please, tell me how people not donating would help the game? Yes, PWO has been in a pretty much broken state since forever, but progress is being made a lot more now than it has in the past.
Keep in mind that without those "Dumb people" you wouldn't even have a game to play on. Yes, PWO is broken, but it still needs donations to pay for server costs so it can ultimately improve.

 

[Sylpharionz]

Over the past few months there have been many issues which have made it difficult for older players to re-connect with this game, but as soon as the new client comes out and the game is available once more, the players will flock back to this game

Okay I will comment on this again seeing how you guys don't reply on any of my previous posts.If you all really think new client will fix everything ,then we are in deeper <img src='./images/smilies/censored.png' alt='Censored'> then I though..We all know what will happen soon. You may hate to admit or talk about it but yeah time work against you.. Who would chose PWO and his broken system over fully working one like other games have??? PWO had something special by following original game, having 2 basic regions for ages and eventually you started to take away locking yourself and game progress away.

Lets say i wanna play pokemon MMO i google for some .Okay i go and check PWO...Right after I start I notice the game is heavily broken especially its battle ingame and other essential feature. but okay can live with it..So I beat the game and quests in 2/3 days..Then i get bored and try battle...More you battle more you can see how games broken... Then i see Trade channel some veteran player link me shiny poke all ivs 28+ wow im amazed because usaully in pokemon games shiny pokes don't have such ivs.So i buy ms to hunt and when i get my first shiny. Boom! Ivs are not 28 + so another disappointment because i don't have same chances as ppl who played longer have.Tbh that lack of creativity in past where you decide to make shiny 28+ made pwo special.But then to in desperate attempt to save economy u decide to change that .Not thinking how that will acutally have discouraging effect on new players...because they don't have same chances now.You can see that on forum we had few topics from new players about that.Tbh i personally love 20-32 ivs range ,but if im new i would complain too.But the main problem for PWO is yet to come. YOu may reduced IVs and instantly eliminated newbs but you know very well that you will have to eliminate older players. That is going to happen when or if you decide to introduce at least Abiltites and EVs. You made newbs to turn back now you will make older players to turn back. SO at the end no one is left. You may also want to purge the user data aka reseting accounts and start a new. So anything what you do will have very bad impact on the playerbase. Therefore, whole game.


This is when all went wrong after this you slowly started to lose control. You made PWO pay to win game.Ask any other older player they all will agree on this.
And with broken and overused token store.This is what actually ruined economy .Botters ,scammer,and speedhackers are nothing compare to this.We even had event or something where token pokes had 15+ IVs. We have in token store pokes wich are HR and really hard to find in game.Someone spend 20 hours looking for one pokemon. And then someone whp is rich irl spend 100 $ to get better ivs , Just like that 10 min few clicks without any effort and he have something wich would take some normal players 20-50h. Only those have chance to be equal with older players tbh .You need to be dumb and have deep pocket if you want to be competitive. Yeah i said dumb because actually if you see how this game is broken ,you have to be dumb to donate. Best example would be this

That's why only buy tokens from trusted seller like me

He sell tokens in my topic where i actually try to prove ppl that this game is dying . Gl to you mate you are really dumb or you are so rich that you don't care for money. Nothing personal against you ofc just used you as example . But yeah he have like 200h and 6 teams of 99 pokes all decent pokes tbh. No effort at all but yeah he is competitive must admit that. So you see only guys with deep pockets can actually achieve something in this game. And you let it happen because we still have same overused token store. Having rare, VR, and HR pokemon in TS is rather meaningless. You want to encourage people to hunt not to buy their way into the game. You can say that before there was gap between donators and pepole who don't donate .But that diffrence was not this Huge . Even new playerdex made it worse with those new prices in token store gap is even bigger.That was something special in PWO as well but that no longer exist.

You need to think what to do next really.You don't have much time.Time is your enemy now,longer we wait for new client and updates u have less chance to keep your players. You need somehow put back in ballance things between donators and non-donators. Redo that overused token store ,remove pokes wich you have in game out of token store heck remove all pokes from token store would be best idea .Get few fresh peaple on ur team , try work with people which don't have same opinion as you do. Give powers to Lumi...he is better coder then all of you together. Dont try to do all on your own allow people to help you. Dont overthink too much .This game don't have time for your ovethinking.Time to Move this thing on the road again ..Best of luck

EDIT:keep in mind i had to edit and cut big part of my post because i advertised another game

tl;dr

People play game to make them happy. I spent money to make myself happy. Even if the game dies afterward, I already gained that "happiness" from getting all those pokes using my money (which i don't really care tbh). Then it's time to move on to another game and make myself happy again. Done, end of story. Only people who don't know how to make yourself happy will complain about what other people are doing to make themselves happy. You are unhappy about a game, doesn't mean other people are unhappy about it too. Stop being jealous for a game (saying that hunting > donating, etc) and start getting some real life money man. Then maybe you won't complain so much...

 

[The-Predator]

Sylpha, sabo has a job, he is making money in RL, and he is one of the richest players in PWO but you are not getting his point, it is not about who can donate more, it is about how donations are ruining the game and economy, and lately people getting banned because of buying tokens off other players, btw he didnt buy his way into this game

 

[Aingaran47]

Sylpha, sabo has a job, he is making money in RL, and he is one of the richest players in PWO but you are not getting his point, it is not about who can donate more, it is about how donations are ruining the game and economy, and lately people getting banned because of buying tokens off other players, btw he didnt buy his way into this game

Well Kp... These Days noobs think donating and selling tss stuff in game to get rich.. makes them a pro in game..! so they think they can just scatter their BS opinion all over the forums..! Most don't even realize they are not even qualified to make a comment on a sensitive topics and veteran players..!