instead of making community watch completely hidden from public why not making so only the owner can make replies ? this can be useful for us to keep a check on scamers and i don't really see a reason for it to be completely hidden from the public.
Community Watch
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[quote name='Dovee' timestamp='1316707660' post='5615']
The old community watch was the most annoying thing.
So many useless posts and replies from people that had no reason to be there.
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yep thats why only user and staff can make replies and rest of us can only view them. <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ChikoritaSmile.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt="
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[quote name='Bluerise' timestamp='1316708277' post='5621']
If one was careful, one would need not to look at community watch. Or better yet, not do it at all.
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many are not careful and i don't really see a reason for it to be hidden except few topics about hacking etc.
and people who voted YES plz give a description .
The old community watch was the most annoying thing.
So many useless posts and replies from people that had no reason to be there.
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yep thats why only user and staff can make replies and rest of us can only view them. <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ChikoritaSmile.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt="
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If one was careful, one would need not to look at community watch. Or better yet, not do it at all.
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many are not careful and i don't really see a reason for it to be hidden except few topics about hacking etc.
and people who voted YES plz give a description .
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[quote name='King' timestamp='1316715421' post='5675']
yep thats why only user and staff can make replies and rest of us can only view them. <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ChikoritaSmile.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt="" />
many are not careful and i don't really see a reason for it to be hidden except few topics about hacking etc.
and people who voted YES plz give a description .
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Then if they aren't careful, they shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
Also why just yes?
yep thats why only user and staff can make replies and rest of us can only view them. <img src="http://www.pokemon-world-online.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ChikoritaSmile.png" class="bbc_emoticon" alt="
" />many are not careful and i don't really see a reason for it to be hidden except few topics about hacking etc.
and people who voted YES plz give a description .
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Then if they aren't careful, they shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
Also why just yes?
well i guess bluerise is the new crenel / zammbi of pwo and i am a remnant from old pwo times . i just wanted to say there is no harm in allowing normal people to view community watch ( not replying in others topics ) and it would be good for people to be cautiousness about scammers.
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[quote name='King' timestamp='1316716734' post='5693']
well i guess bluerise is the new crenel / zammbi of pwo and i am a remnant from old pwo times . i just wanted to say there is no harm in allowing normal people to view community watch ( not replying in others topics ) and it would be good for people to be cautiousness about scammers.
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Nothing stops people from being cautious, it however does give somewhat of a bad rep to those who get reported yet didn't do nothing wrong.
well i guess bluerise is the new crenel / zammbi of pwo and i am a remnant from old pwo times . i just wanted to say there is no harm in allowing normal people to view community watch ( not replying in others topics ) and it would be good for people to be cautiousness about scammers.
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Nothing stops people from being cautious, it however does give somewhat of a bad rep to those who get reported yet didn't do nothing wrong.
I can see where you're coming from. However, I in particular don't believe that there is a need for it to by viewed by those other than 2 parties - the person submitting the report, and the staff members who are in charge of dealing it (GMs+).
Although you do raise a point by keeping an eye out for scammers, I don't agree with using the community watch as a method of exposing people, and giving them reputation as scammers. Some possibly innocent people could be accussed of scamming, and if the case is too amiguous to determine for certain whether they're guilty or not, many players reading the topic could be convinced that they are a scammer, even without sufficient proof to conclude such. This could ruin the reputation for some potentially innocent players. If they are indeed guilty, and sufficient evidence is provided to conclude such, they will likely be banned, and unable to even propose anymore trades that could result in another scam.
Although there is the time gap between their report, and the actual verdict from the staff on banning them (as well as some scam occurences going unreported) there is a possibility of them scamming another victim. However, rather than letting players view the evidence of them being scammers on community watch, I'd highly prefer a guideline on how to avoid being scammed. There was one on the old forums iirc, which instructed players to screenshot the trade agreements, save the IDs to their pokemon, screenshot the trade, be wary for suspicious offers, etc... On top of that, to prevent stat scams (the most common scams), the player engaging in the trade should ask the other player to make their playerdex profile publicly viewable, so they could check the pokemon's stats for themselves. If the person refuses to open their playerdex profile, I'd definitely be suspicious and not quick to trust them.
I understand that many may neglect to read that advice - we can only advise them as much as they allow us to advise them - However, if they disregard such basic guidelines. However, if they neglect to read guidelines on preventing scams, would they likely be inclinced to looking at all of the proven scammers on a publicly viewable community watch as well?
Just my 2 cents.
Although you do raise a point by keeping an eye out for scammers, I don't agree with using the community watch as a method of exposing people, and giving them reputation as scammers. Some possibly innocent people could be accussed of scamming, and if the case is too amiguous to determine for certain whether they're guilty or not, many players reading the topic could be convinced that they are a scammer, even without sufficient proof to conclude such. This could ruin the reputation for some potentially innocent players. If they are indeed guilty, and sufficient evidence is provided to conclude such, they will likely be banned, and unable to even propose anymore trades that could result in another scam.
Although there is the time gap between their report, and the actual verdict from the staff on banning them (as well as some scam occurences going unreported) there is a possibility of them scamming another victim. However, rather than letting players view the evidence of them being scammers on community watch, I'd highly prefer a guideline on how to avoid being scammed. There was one on the old forums iirc, which instructed players to screenshot the trade agreements, save the IDs to their pokemon, screenshot the trade, be wary for suspicious offers, etc... On top of that, to prevent stat scams (the most common scams), the player engaging in the trade should ask the other player to make their playerdex profile publicly viewable, so they could check the pokemon's stats for themselves. If the person refuses to open their playerdex profile, I'd definitely be suspicious and not quick to trust them.
I understand that many may neglect to read that advice - we can only advise them as much as they allow us to advise them - However, if they disregard such basic guidelines. However, if they neglect to read guidelines on preventing scams, would they likely be inclinced to looking at all of the proven scammers on a publicly viewable community watch as well?
Just my 2 cents.
crenel
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I actually am in favor of completely dissolving the Community Watch and replacing it with an even more one-on-one communication system King. There is no reason for people to know why others are getting punished. It's tacky and disrespectful and often interferes with the player sharing full details of their situation for fear of criticism or further punishment. Account disputes and player reports should be handled in private in order to protect the interests of all parties involved and in some cases to preserve the confidentiality and anonymity of any parties involved.
I actually am in favor of completely dissolving the Community Watch and replacing it with an even more one-on-one communication system King. There is no reason for people to know why others are getting punished. It's tacky and disrespectful and often interferes with the player sharing full details of their situation for fear of criticism or further punishment. Account disputes and player reports should be handled in private in order to protect the interests of all parties involved and in some cases to preserve the confidentiality and anonymity of any parties involved.
I actually am in favor of completely dissolving the Community Watch and replacing it with an even more one-on-one communication system King. There is no reason for people to know why others are getting punished. It's tacky and disrespectful and often interferes with the player sharing full details of their situation for fear of criticism or further punishment. Account disputes and player reports should be handled in private in order to protect the interests of all parties involved and in some cases to preserve the confidentiality and anonymity of any parties involved.
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i agree with what Naero said, there's no need for others to view the topics except the one who posted and those staffs. Although you may say that that will help players to prevent from scamming by knowing who scammed the victim, but wouldn't it be better if the player actually be careful and pay attention when trading pokemons or memberships,etc to prevent being scammed. It is easier to prevent scamming nowadays since you can view the stats of the pokemon in the trade window and you need to confirm twice before completing the trade. Besides, if someone is identified as a scammer and is being reported, if sufficient evidence is provided, that scammer will likely be banned from the game. So, there's no need to make the Community Watch forums to be a public one.
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Mist
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[quote name='crenel' timestamp='1316718870' post='5703']
I actually am in favor of completely dissolving the Community Watch and replacing it with an even more one-on-one communication system King. There is no reason for people to know why others are getting punished. It's tacky and disrespectful and often interferes with the player sharing full details of their situation for fear of criticism or further punishment. Account disputes and player reports should be handled in private in order to protect the interests of all parties involved and in some cases to preserve the confidentiality and anonymity of any parties involved.
I actually am in favor of completely dissolving the Community Watch and replacing it with an even more one-on-one communication system King. There is no reason for people to know why others are getting punished. It's tacky and disrespectful and often interferes with the player sharing full details of their situation for fear of criticism or further punishment. Account disputes and player reports should be handled in private in order to protect the interests of all parties involved and in some cases to preserve the confidentiality and anonymity of any parties involved.
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I've like the idea of using a ticket system. it is going between the person who opened the ticket, and the person handling the issue. If that staff member can't resolve it, or needs a higher up to approve it, it gets bumped up to the next tier. It would also be ideal for membership / token issue. I'm starting to get tired of seeing "WHARE MI MEMEMBERSHIP" topics in the tracker, general talk, and help and questions areas.
Ticket System
(Choose type of issue) --> sends issue to appropriate staff to handle
(Scam | Player disputes ~ GM, then Admin: Membership |Token issues ~ Admin: Game| Client | web | Forum Bugs ~ GE, then Dev: General Questions | Idears ~ CG, then to next appropriate level)
Private, and 1 on 1 unless another level of staff is needed
more efficient
I actually am in favor of completely dissolving the Community Watch and replacing it with an even more one-on-one communication system King. There is no reason for people to know why others are getting punished. It's tacky and disrespectful and often interferes with the player sharing full details of their situation for fear of criticism or further punishment. Account disputes and player reports should be handled in private in order to protect the interests of all parties involved and in some cases to preserve the confidentiality and anonymity of any parties involved.
I actually am in favor of completely dissolving the Community Watch and replacing it with an even more one-on-one communication system King. There is no reason for people to know why others are getting punished. It's tacky and disrespectful and often interferes with the player sharing full details of their situation for fear of criticism or further punishment. Account disputes and player reports should be handled in private in order to protect the interests of all parties involved and in some cases to preserve the confidentiality and anonymity of any parties involved.
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I've like the idea of using a ticket system. it is going between the person who opened the ticket, and the person handling the issue. If that staff member can't resolve it, or needs a higher up to approve it, it gets bumped up to the next tier. It would also be ideal for membership / token issue. I'm starting to get tired of seeing "WHARE MI MEMEMBERSHIP" topics in the tracker, general talk, and help and questions areas.
Ticket System
(Choose type of issue) --> sends issue to appropriate staff to handle
(Scam | Player disputes ~ GM, then Admin: Membership |Token issues ~ Admin: Game| Client | web | Forum Bugs ~ GE, then Dev: General Questions | Idears ~ CG, then to next appropriate level)
Private, and 1 on 1 unless another level of staff is needed
more efficient
Krysi
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I voted yes because I personally think it's none of anyone's business who gets reported (aside from staff). Having it so anyone can see will just cause the occasional pointless flame war in some random area of the forum by some immature person.
I understand where you're coming from in terms of scammer awareness, but even if you don't know who is or isn't a scammer, you should always be cautious when buying or trading Pokemon and items.
Also, I completely support the Ticket System idea. It would be more convenient and private.
I understand where you're coming from in terms of scammer awareness, but even if you don't know who is or isn't a scammer, you should always be cautious when buying or trading Pokemon and items.
Also, I completely support the Ticket System idea. It would be more convenient and private.
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[quote name='mad30' timestamp='1316719751' post='5707']
The old community watch was just flat out unprofessional, mainly for reasons people above has said. I have never experience another game where reports were handled in a public fashion.
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This ^
Imo, a lot of people stalked CW as a form of entertainment due to the public drama the place stirred up. I like not being able to see it, and I like others not being able to see it.
The old community watch was just flat out unprofessional, mainly for reasons people above has said. I have never experience another game where reports were handled in a public fashion.
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This ^
Imo, a lot of people stalked CW as a form of entertainment due to the public drama the place stirred up. I like not being able to see it, and I like others not being able to see it.
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rhazerat
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I think its one of the best changes made in the new forum, that we can't actually see the community watch, it got so annoying with all the people nosing into somethign which clearly isn't their business.
And as many have said it should be a privite issue and as Mad said this is the only game I've played that has this kind of system, most of them have a completly seperate report button in game to send off a message to the staff who then deal with it.
And as many have said it should be a privite issue and as Mad said this is the only game I've played that has this kind of system, most of them have a completly seperate report button in game to send off a message to the staff who then deal with it.