You noob "changer"

[The-Predator]

So I decided to make this topic, to mainly discuss about what you guys think about switching in battles??

Do you think PWO is ready to take the next step?

With all these updates, moves fixes, EVs added, more abilities working, there are much more possibilities of battling or strategies, I can see PWO is ready to battle with switch with no problem. I have been battling a few days since the game got updated and I still see lots of players refusing to switch even old players ._., yet they use baton pass, hey people out there baton pass its a move yes, but it is the same like SWITCHING the pokemon out, just with the difference that it takes the stats/boost from the baton pass user to the pokemon selected.

I had a battle yesterday with some piternator1 user, I was having a mamoswine in my team, he sent me an umbreon, just to spam charm on my mamos, when my mamoswine had its attack decreased to minimum, he started to spam curse, when i though this could not be any worse (gay), he baton passed to a snorlax, thats when i decided to switch. you know what came next, "noob switcher" and those kind of insults, I mean there is a limit where you can take that kind of situation but, there is a limit, doing such combination of moves, its not a strategic, nor tactic, thats just a new way of abusing pokemon that does not have a counter move against some pokemon, PWO still lacks important TMs but it is still decent enough to battle, I have found players using baton pass in such a way that makes you think? "what the heck?, they dont want you to switch yet they are using baton pass in such pathetic and ridiculous ways". I have seen similar strategies (gay ways) with scizor, they sends the scizor against a pokemon causing neutral damage to scizor, (scizor high defenses allow you to take nice amount of hits before fainting) so all they need to do is to agility, swords dance then baton pass and boom they have a god stats pokemon ready to sweep, Sorry I can not think nor see how that is strategy.

After some battles, I battled shuntandromed, he realized he could not do damage to one of my pokemon, so he decided to switch, I thought "wow he was complaining about people who was switching" but still I did not say a thing, We let the battle continue, and we were switching when needed, I must say, that was the most exciting Battle I had in PWO, and I dare to say he enjoyed it as much as I did, So even if there is still some TMs that should be released as a must, PWO is currently in a perfect shape to let the switching battles to enter the scene. We had no glitches, we had all the moves working as intended, I almost felt like battling in pokemon ORAS. So guys give it a try, only thing Im feeling why people does not accept the switch in the battles is, those players has never played handhelds and they are used to the way PWO was, but guess what, PWO has evolved.

So what you guys think??

 

[Jinga]

Switching is now viable but see pwo has many players not with much knowledge of pokemon so "noob switcher" comes from them mostly and baton pass is stupid like when we had dragonite with multiscale or the b99 no slaking, so yeah switching should be allowed.

 

[KaiReborn]

I had a battle yesterday with some piternator1 user, I was having a mamoswine in my team, he sent me an umbreon, just to spam charm on my mamos, when my mamoswine had its attack decreased to minimum, he started to spam curse, when i though this could not be any worse (<img src='./images/smilies/censored.png' alt='Censored'>), he baton passed to a snorlax, thats when i decided to switch. you know what came next, "noob switcher" and those kind of insults,

Classic pwo hypocrisy right there. Doesn't surprise me the slightest though, seeing how many 'battlers' (or so they like to call themselves) are reluctant to step out of the broken little world pwo has been (consider a big fish, small pond kind of logic)

As for what matters, there should be no problem with switching being considered at this point. It would be optimal if the tms for roar and taunt had been released, as well as a stealth rock tutor npc having been made available though.

 

[Saric]

Switching has been viable for a while now. Unfortunately as far as I can tell people still cling to the old PWO battle "rules" and hate on those that do.

As Kai said, it would be optimal for those tms as well as hazards, though.

 

[Electrofreak]

I had a battle yesterday with some piternator1 user, I was having a mamoswine in my team, he sent me an umbreon, just to spam charm on my mamos, when my mamoswine had its attack decreased to minimum, he started to spam curse, when i though this could not be any worse (<img src='./images/smilies/censored.png' alt='Censored'>), he baton passed to a snorlax, thats when i decided to switch. you know what came next, "noob switcher" and those kind of insults,

Classic pwo hypocrisy right there. Doesn't surprise me the slightest though, seeing how many 'battlers' (or so they like to call themselves) are reluctant to step out of the broken little world pwo has been (consider a big fish, small pond kind of logic)

As for what matters, there should be no problem with switching being considered at this point. It would be optimal if the tms for roar and taunt had been released, as well as a stealth rock tutor npc having been made available though.

Kai summarized the problem well. Switching could benefit us as is.

I would say currently switching overall does not have as much impact as it COULD to the strategic level of the game until we get a few things:

1. Stealth rock tm/tutor
2. Taunt
3. U-turn/volt-switch tutors/tms
4. more held items, such as lum berry, eviolite, and such so that switching can have a pivotal role in swinging momentum of a match.


Overall great post KP, I agree entirely. I would think most of the battlers who participate outside of PWO agree.

 

[mad30]

Why not just fight back with those who dislike switching just call them 'non-noob switcher'?

Perception atm is that switching is in the wrong, what needs to happen is reverse that and make the perception be that anyone that dislikes switching is in the wrong and doesn't know how REAL battling works.

 

[BrownCactus]

Well, today I had several battles where people DC on me just because I used Stealth Rock and they told me "bad loser uses Stealth Rock". Other scenario was when I "switched" to my Shiny Salamence do normalize their Atk boost. Instantly I was called a bad loser for switching out even though, they previously spammed my shiny Starmie with Spores and others and as result attempted to boost on it.

What can be done and will probably happen is that people simply do switch battle normally. It's not really hard to call out people to help out really. Similar thing was with shiny boost back in day and with normal boosting at newer times. People like to follow trends and be up to date with battle scene. I am sure they will soon start to realize. After all, it wont be viable for them not to switch out.

 

[esau13]

I think it is now necessary to switch into battle, there are many pokemon are easy targets, with updates I think now is no longer No problem to switch into battle, the pvp in pwi be more complete when it begins to implement the switch as in other pvP games pokemon

 

[BrownCactus]

I think it is now necessary to switch into battle, there are many pokemon are easy targets, with updates I think now is no longer No problem to switch into battle, the pvp in pwi be more complete when it begins to implement the switch as in other pvP games pokemon

So esau, do they switch in Mexico? And PVP in PWI will be more complete when more moves are introduced. Every new update will make switch more viable.

 

[mati-leo]

Doesn't matter what ''non-switchers'' say, do what you feel is better to get a victory --> SWITCH... they will realize that without switching they won't win so, give them time and they'll adapt.

 

[Dragon16]

Honestly i would prefer changing, as it was intended, and i think if players think they can Boost their pokes for days after, similar to KP's example, they charm your Pokemon to max out their stats and expect you to sit their and get swept then they are the noobs. If the Switching system works then people should be encouraged to battle the way pokemon battles were intended, like in the handhelds, and stop trying to maintain this "Old PWO" notion of "NO Switching."

 

[Primo]

I played many battle simulator and switching is a good thing without switching you will lose there. so here switching should allowded.

but PWO has its old rules so it depends on the admins.

 

[KaiReborn]

but PWO has its old rules so it depends on the admins.

Poor excuse, this is something that has to be done by players. If nothing else, the fact no staff member is a battler (I'm including player accounts when I say this) means they can't enforce something that isn't on their field (outside of staff hosted tournaments, which haven't happened in years) so this issue, more than any other, is dependant on whether the players take initiative to change things or not

 

[mad30]

but PWO has its old rules so it depends on the admins.

Poor excuse, this is something that has to be done by players. If nothing else, the fact no staff member is a battler (I'm including player accounts when I say this) means they can't enforce something that isn't on their field (outside of staff hosted tournaments, which haven't happened in years) so this issue, more than any other, is dependant on whether the players take initiative to change things or not

Has the staff ever tried to force battle rules? Only rule I was only ever aware of was d/cing and/or stalling and even then HARDLY ever enforced. Switching I thought has only been a players agreement rule. (Similar to no ohko moves)

 

[Saric]

but PWO has its old rules so it depends on the admins.

Poor excuse, this is something that has to be done by players. If nothing else, the fact no staff member is a battler (I'm including player accounts when I say this) means they can't enforce something that isn't on their field (outside of staff hosted tournaments, which haven't happened in years) so this issue, more than any other, is dependant on whether the players take initiative to change things or not

Has the staff ever tried to force battle rules? Only rule I was only ever aware of was d/cing and/or stalling and even then HARDLY ever enforced. Switching I thought has only been a players agreement rule. (Similar to no ohko moves)

They've never tried to enforce rules.

And yeah, only ones were people abusing D/cing/stalling/intentionally losing to farm rep.

 

[BrownCactus]

There is a lack of battle moderators and consistency of a battle . Call me crazy but I feel that there is a more need to moderate battle than any other place or channel. The solution here is very simple and that is implementation of a new default channel where people battle by the book. Means that staff / moderators already predefined what is allowed and what not. One channel is simply free to do all in a battle one is neat and by the book. If you want a battle without switching or without boosting for instance, you use the regular one while you are not able to demand any type of a battle in new channel where staff already decided what is allowed and what not. For people who dislike switching they simply don't ask for a battle in that channel.

For people who battles with switching will use other channel. When they feel like battling custom they visit other channel. Moderators would make sure that rules are not being broken given that the system itself is not set to regulate those on it's own. But it is possible for a system to regulate battle and make sure you are not able to break a rule except DC. Even without moderators, channel is still there as players are following it's culture. No one can really mind you for battling properly if battle started in that channel. If that happens you simply take a screenshot and escalate the case to the moderator via the Playerdex.

 

[Nikola]

Good point Cactus, good point. A little more moderation for said channel wouldn't do any bad I guess. After all, can simply report them for harassing and insulting you. It might take some time for them to realize that calling you a noob switcher is rather wrong thing to do.

 

[mad30]

Good point Cactus, good point. A little more moderation for said channel wouldn't do any bad I guess. After all, can simply report them for harassing and insulting you. It might take some time for them to realize that calling you a noob switcher is rather wrong thing to do.

IDK, they said it was wrong to call people fat in school too. Now we have a country full of over weight people. Peer Pressure goes a long way if done correctly.

 

[Nikola]

So eventually everyone will become a noob in PWO? Interesting point. Well, being fat can also be a sign of lack of intimate relationship. To be fair mad, I always expected Mc Donalds to expand themselves into wood production...you Know "green life" stuff. Given their wood production they can produce special sized coffins for those people who tend to be their customers. You Know, we make you fat we provide you with a larger coffin.

 

[mad30]

So eventually everyone will become a noob in PWO?

WILL?????

Everyone in pwo is a noob in some way or another.

As far as the McDonalds being coffin makers. during my college days in sociology or some other class we were discussing how many companies were directly tied to other companies due to sharing a common board member. While I can't find the graph of the one I was show here is a wiki page showing different people server on different company boards. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pe ... ing_boards

If you know kevin bacons six degrees of separation the same logic is applied to fortune 500 companies in The United States and server board members, but with a smaller degree (I believe 3 but could be 4) of separation. It is very possible a high ranking member of McDonalds does indeed of vested interest in a funeral coffin making service if be the cutting of the trees in the amazon, or the marble making, or the actual selling of the coffins. Maybe not a direct connection, but a connection non the less.