New update shiny ivs 20+

[BlameAoD]

What if i don't want to sell my shinys but use them for battle? I trained hard to get the money to get a especific ivs in a shiny pokemon , i spent a lot of money doing it and now if they change, all my work would be in vain.. Even more the people with iv 32 in some stats that would matter in battle like speed, they would lose something that costed probably +50m.

+1 basicly some of the points I was trying to get across but to new players seem to not care if we lose things we spent 50m on as long as we can't get 50m back from them...

 

[RicardoTav]

That's really true i think that even with new shiny ivs the new player have the same opportunities as the old ones cause the old ones have what they have now by work not just receive them for free but ok....

 

[killanaddict]

Then what is this update change in game health and balance? Nothing, till last old shiny doesn't become history.
Do you know chance for encounter pokemon with 28+ IV's without shiny trigger? it's 4^6/31(32)^6 = 0,0000046(0,00046%) instead of old shinys - 0,00012(0,012%) and 0,00049(0,049%) with MS. now compare it.

 

[KaiReborn]

Your point being? Both new and old players have the same chance of finding a 28+ iv shiny in the wild atm just because you haven't been around for years like some players have it doesn't mean those same players should be brought down to your level, just because it'd cater to your whining it doesn't mean it is completely fair. So just look at the bigger picture and realize the number of 28+ shinies is bound to decrease in the future with older players that might end up going inactive or that might end up banned and stop crying about it. It's a change made to balance out the future, not to have an immediate impact... sure it may look unfair to you atm but it'd be much more unfair for old players to have their shinies changed when the policy in the past was different. It's like something becoming illegal and you wanting people who did that something in the past when it was allowed to be punished for it.

 

[Arnie]

Your point being? Both new and old players have the same chance of finding a 28+ iv shiny in the wild atm just because you haven't been around for years like some players have it doesn't mean those same players should be brought down to your level, just because it'd cater to your whining it doesn't mean it is completely fair. So just look at the bigger picture and realize the number of 28+ shinies is bound to decrease in the future with older players that might end up going inactive or that might end up banned and stop crying about it. It's a change made to balance out the future, not to have an immediate impact... sure it may look unfair to you atm but it'd be much more unfair for old players to have their shinies changed when the policy in the past was different. It's like something becoming illegal and you wanting people who did that something in the past when it was allowed to be punished for it.

this also us older players have already lived through one IV reset a few years ago that decimated peoples teams (mine included), so y should we have to suffer again just for some people who started barely a month ago?.

 

[Thor]

Because it's about game balance not keeping old people happy. Either changing shiny stats is needed or a complete reset, I know which I'd prefer. You can't have as many old shinies in game as there are and expect this update to make a difference, there are 6 years worth of shinies in game here compared to a couple of weeks worth of new ones. They need to all be brought into line

 

[Franc92]

Communism? How does it relate to that? Ah, my location. Very delicate trolling. Ridicoulosly to hear from adept of elitism. Btw, equality before the law - one of the democracy principles.
And mistakes of the past shouldn't be corrected in your opinion? That's lol. In the law there is such principle as retroactivity of law, if you hear of course.
This update will start working really only when each player who have old shinys left this game with them. old shinys will be always cost much more then new and it's only disbalances market and game with 5m for lol ampharoses and venonats and 50-100k for same newly catched.
You are talking here about good game health and other good reasons but what are you really ready to donate for the sake of it? Nothing. You recieve your own and now just defend yourself, nothing more.

"Joined 2 june 2014" so if you were in our clothes, if you had spent 1000+ hours for training, hunting and making good trades to get your dream team, will you really feel comfortable in letting your pokes ivs thrown out the window? Nah. In my opinion, if you really want to randomize also old ivs pokes, you should give de chanche to the old player to get 2 option: 1- wanna randomize? Ok, but my poke will be shiny anyway: ivs get changed random to 20-31. 2-wanna randomize? Ok, but i. Dont really care if my poke is shiny or not, so ivs are not changed and the poke is transformed in non shiny. Well at least if i have to say a word to save us is: this is life, if you accept that the old players are more experienced and have more founds and more more more goods, well is normal. Is just a matter to get used to adapt. Otherwise you can go and play other games that fits better your "crying mode".
Cheers

 

[pokearcanine]

i honestly dont get the point of reducing existing shinies IVs.People are saying that they should have same opportunities or whatever,but its way different just having 20-31 than having all your pokes that are 28-31 with ivs reduced,after all the effort that took you to obtain them.i personally dont like shinies much,if you check my account you will see that,but man,olders players are the one that have been helping staff through years to test this BETA,not the people commenting here,who are mostly going to leave the game within a year or so,and even knowing we are justing testing a BETA,we are players,and every of our pokemons(yeah,not only shinies) took us effort to obtain,and anyone that play this game knows that even -1IV can ruin some pokemons,so no,please dont reduce the shiny ivs.

 

[killanaddict]

"Joined 2 june 2014" so if you were in our clothes, if you had spent 1000+ hours for training, hunting and making good trades to get your dream team, will you really feel comfortable in letting your pokes ivs thrown out the window? Nah. In my opinion, if you really want to randomize also old ivs pokes, you should give de chanche to the old player to get 2 option: 1- wanna randomize? Ok, but my poke will be shiny anyway: ivs get changed random to 20-31. 2-wanna randomize? Ok, but i. Dont really care if my poke is shiny or not, so ivs are not changed and the poke is transformed in non shiny. Well at least if i have to say a word to save us is: this is life, if you accept that the old players are more experienced and have more founds and more more more goods, well is normal. Is just a matter to get used to adapt. Otherwise you can go and play other games that fits better your "crying mode".
Cheers

Sounds so epic. But you didn't study math in school? just compare chance of appearance of pokemon with all 28+ stats w/o shiny effect(assume that shinys range 1-31) and old shiny chance even w/o MS which guaraunteed 28+ iv's to your poke. feel the difference? it's x26. i.e. in comparsion with you i should spent 26 000+ hours for "training, hunting bla bla bla" to get my _DREAM TEAM_ with all 28+ iv's pokemons.
Well, now Mr dream team, please tell me how this update improved notorius game health and balance now and in the near future when old shinys still in the game and there is a lot of them? (i also have they). Or you offer to wait when all their owner will grow old and die? And I really don't care about shiny effect and how many shinys you have if they are 1-31, but now they are still grow up in price in comparsion with new.
There is only two ways to solve this problem:
1. Return old shiny.
2. Reset all to 20-31,1-31 or other range.
About "cry": if only this update affected all shinys in the game - you all would be here crying and begging staff to cancel it.
And yes, players with same register data - at least 50% of game online i think.
Now I completely understand the persons like you. Keep your shinys, feel good about yourself, thinking that you are major man and better than others.

 

[Franc92]

Lololololololol. In one point i agree with you: if the probabilty of getting pokes all 28+ ivs is lowered, i am againts this update, but i think the probability after this update affects only the shinys to be 20-31, while before, if you found any poke 28+ all ivs that must be only shiny. This is an interesting point in wich i want to understand better from the staff.

 

[killanaddict]

this chance according to probability theory, but shiny trigger works on another principle. tbh there was two chances of recieving poke with 28+ iv's: actually shiny chance 1/2048-1/8192 guaranteed 28+ and 4^6/31^6(usual poke appeared with 28+ stats became shiny), so it have to be summarize but second one is too little to make sence, so now works only second and chance that new shiny will be 28+(1/2048(1/8192)*4^6/12^6), agree that is much less than before

 

[KaiReborn]

Maybe because the current update is meant for 28+ iv shinies to be harder to find and to become fewer in number as time passes due to some of the players having them going inactive/getting banned, making it so they don't flood the market in the long run? Seriously, how can someone be so dense?

 

[BlameAoD]

Also just want to throw this out there since no one else is saying it. If they change existing S IVs they will likely lose a lot of old players who have supported the game for years and continue to do so. On the other hand if they don't they will lose a bunch of whining new players who refuse to donate because they changed IV on new S before they could find many/any old ones. Just saying I think if it was my game I'd rather lose the butt hurt cry babies than the people who have been here supporting the game for years.

 

[KaiReborn]

Actually that is something I mentioned before but of course the whiners don't care about that

 

[BlameAoD]

Actually that is something I mentioned before but of course the whiners don't care about that

Ahh well honestly I read just the 1st few pages then skip[ped to like pg 8 or 9 so I easily could have missed it oh and many valid points on this matter brought up here btw http://forum.pokemon-world-online.net/showthread.php?tid=32895

 

[OneMillionRattatas]

Seriously, new players that are asking for a fair go here are cry babies? How is that a fair argument? By coming up with comments like that you just look like you're scared to lose the precious OP bonus yourself. And yes it is way OP. You want what you got for your hard work but you expect new players to work 10 times harder and longer for exactly the same thing. Argue against that.

The game gets updated, and we older players can't get stuck in our rut, we've got to roll with the times. I've got dozens of now OP shinies across my many accounts now that seriously I would consider it cheating to use against players with less than several hundred if not a thousand playing hours. How many of those shinies I put so much hard work into finding would be epic if I started now and this happened several years in the future? A small fraction of them of course. But you expect to hold on to something that is outdated and completely overpowered because of time spent getting it.

How much time and money (both ingame and real) has been spent on getting OP slakings over the years? As we all know abilities could be just around the corner now, so are you expecting to only have truant ability applied to new slakings? How crazy would that be? No more crazy than this.

There is imbalance here and a compromise of some sort should be considered, not just resorting to name-calling. The difference between 28-31 and 20-31 is just too huge and unfair to not warrant the outcry here. There is nothing baby-ish about it.

 

[Thor]

I really seem to be in the minority here as being an older player who is supporting a change to stats. I have one of the largest collections of shinies here and I seem to be one of the few people not being selfish and thinking of whats best for the game. You say the new players are whining when you are moaning about even the thought of touching your collections. It is for the best interests of the game....you cant just wait for people to become inactive to get rid of the large number of shinies with high stats and people who moan they have paid a lot for these stats, its a beta, you volunteered to pay for these shinies, and you should have understood the game is subject to changes such as this

 

[pokearcanine]

"Joined 2 june 2014" so if you were in our clothes, if you had spent 1000+ hours for training, hunting and making good trades to get your dream team, will you really feel comfortable in letting your pokes ivs thrown out the window? Nah. In my opinion, if you really want to randomize also old ivs pokes, you should give de chanche to the old player to get 2 option: 1- wanna randomize? Ok, but my poke will be shiny anyway: ivs get changed random to 20-31. 2-wanna randomize? Ok, but i. Dont really care if my poke is shiny or not, so ivs are not changed and the poke is transformed in non shiny. Well at least if i have to say a word to save us is: this is life, if you accept that the old players are more experienced and have more founds and more more more goods, well is normal. Is just a matter to get used to adapt. Otherwise you can go and play other games that fits better your "crying mode".
Cheers

Sounds so epic. But you didn't study math in school? just compare chance of appearance of pokemon with all 28+ stats w/o shiny effect(assume that shinys range 1-31) and old shiny chance even w/o MS which guaraunteed 28+ iv's to your poke. feel the difference? it's x26. i.e. in comparsion with you i should spent 26 000+ hours for "training, hunting bla bla bla" to get my _DREAM TEAM_ with all 28+ iv's pokemons.
Well, now Mr dream team, please tell me how this update improved notorius game health and balance now and in the near future when old shinys still in the game and there is a lot of them? (i also have they). Or you offer to wait when all their owner will grow old and die? And I really don't care about shiny effect and how many shinys you have if they are 1-31, but now they are still grow up in price in comparsion with new.
There is only two ways to solve this problem:
1. Return old shiny.
2. Reset all to 20-31,1-31 or other range.
About "cry": if only this update affected all shinys in the game - you all would be here crying and begging staff to cancel it.
And yes, players with same register data - at least 50% of game online i think.
Now I completely understand the persons like you. Keep your shinys, feel good about yourself, thinking that you are major man and better than others.

excuse me,but aren't you the one crying?from what i can see this a whole post of new players crying

 

[Nikola]

- This reminds me..It's like when someone works at a $12/hour minimum wage, then newer employees start working when the minimum wage is set at $8/hour--it'd be outrageous to remove the money from the one that worked at $12/hour just for them to be more in-line with newer employees. However, if you have to sacrifice in order that the company you are working it survives then it would be another case but that is not the case here. This is a little game about the Pokemon. Don't loose your focus just because this is the Pokemon game. No complex equation is needed.

- Now I strongly disagree with such suggestion. Not even sure why it was brought up in a first place, this is rater something meaningless and nothing to sweat about. If this was a suggestion about the game wipe I would agree. This looks like a very bad way of cleaning up someones mess that was not supposed to be here in a first place. The reason why I prefer wipe over nerf is because I am human. I will rather give clean death even to my enemy rather then torturing him even if I know he probably wouldn't do the same. But then again who knows..he might come back to life again just to die like a dog once again, happy dog with funny paws will no longer have that sad look. I don't want to have to wait for the backlash to cool down, only for us to reduce IVs again, and resurface that backlash again.

- From what I can gather, the reason why you want to nerf current shinies is imbalance between newer and older players thinking that they are OP. How that is supposed to be a reason? No one ever said that current shinies cant be 31 IVs which means you THINK they are OP and there is no way you can actully know if they are OP because you don't know if the Pokemon you are going to catch will suck or it will be God like. Let someone to find max speed shiny and put them in a battle and see whats going to happen. You sound like the IVs are locked on 20. Srsly that argument is missing something. You should be encouraging players who are hardworking and legit. You don't have to give them anything with material value all they need is a reason. You have to motivate them not demotivate them. This reminds on Socialism...Even long after republic leaders died out traces of Socialism were visible among the people and the companies they used to work in. There is one specific case that is easiest to remember about Socialism. You could work 12 hours a day like a horse and you would receive the same payment like another employer who was laying around all day. This lead to the total imbalance of the republic and eventually the regime had to be changed. Now I wonder why no one wants to return to that time.

- What I can see here is trying to force natural course. It's not natural that veterans and newbies are in the same league. This is the case in every civil society lead by a human. Time is your best friend here. You simply let time to do what it does the best. That is the most natural way of preserving the balance in this case. Half of the current Pokemon are not meant to be for sale. They will be either given away to someone from new generation, someone will get banned and someone will leave. That is the normal course and those are very important variables when it comes to balance. This topic should NOT be about conflict between two generations. There should be a bit of common respect. You ask me for suggestions, market and prices and I will help you if I can. We can also do few jokes and laugh it of as we are doing business. That is how you start making a bond. One day, who knows..you might also become proud veteran do the same thing with a newcomers...but keep in mind, you don't become one by being spoon-fed. Hatred between people is not a good thing. There is always someone who will enjoy seeing you lost while you have the tragedy on your shoulders. But no matter how heave it is, you must not fall on your knees. As for this topic, it ended 10 pages ago. Everything after that is rather meaningless with transparent arguments, mostly coming from a people that want to see something going on. Cheers.

 

[KaiReborn]

The game gets updated, and we older players can't get stuck in our rut, we've got to roll with the times. I've got dozens of now OP shinies across my many accounts now that seriously I would consider it cheating to use against players with less than several hundred if not a thousand playing hours. How many of those shinies I put so much hard work into finding would be epic if I started now and this happened several years in the future?mHow much time and money (both ingame and real) has been spent on getting OP slakings over the years? As we all know abilities could be just around the corner now, so are you expecting to only have truant ability applied to new slakings? How crazy would that be? No more crazy than this.

There is imbalance here and a compromise of some sort should be considered, not just resorting to name-calling. The difference between 28-31 and 20-31 is just too huge and unfair to not warrant the outcry here. There is nothing baby-ish about it.

First of all your slak argument makes no sense. When traunt is added the only complaints you'll see are from those who aren't skilled and creative enough to build competitive teams without including a seriously broken pokemon in it (even though slak used to be a lot worse in the past). Now to the next topic, why should older players be putting themselves in the shoes of newcomers when they've been around for a longer time? Why are most of you taking the easy road by crying about the state of things are to expect older players to lose what they put a lot of time, money and effort to acomplish instead of actually working to accomplish something? When I first joined wild shinies were stuck on 28 ivs all across (maybe not but when I caught my first shiny it sure was during that period), I didn't come here to cry and ask for the shinies of older players to be set to 28 all across because those were the ivs of every shiny I was finding during quite some time, nor did I come here to whine asking about the removal of shinies with impossible stats just because I couldn't find them. The problem is you aren't even trying, it's not like it became impossible to get a shiny with 28+ ivs, it just takes longer so your so called 'proposal' is no more than something that would rob older players of the money, time and effort put into the purchase of their stuff and trust me, many would leave because if that happened and I can understand why I mean, they've been around for longer, some pretty much since pwo started or close to that so I can understand they'd be displeased towards an action that would be mostly based on the crying of newcomers who are too lazy to put some effort into the game and would rather have things being given to them on a silver plate, those newcomers that probably will only play for months in most cases.

And Bobo while I can understand your view not every older player sees shinies as a collection item and while this iv change was something that arrived late, it makes no sense to change every shiny predating that shiny imo and let's face it it is mostly due to the older players that the economy mantains itself somewhat supported, if those same players leave because of the change (which I truly believe most of them would if that happened) the economy would take a huge hit, if not collapse entirely. This update is prone to induce a mentality change and as I mentioned before it's not impossible to find a shiny with 28+ so there isn't really a motive for that change.